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Police trainee accidentally killed by instructor
AP via CNN ^ | 9/14/05

Posted on 09/14/2005 9:54:28 PM PDT by PAR35

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To: clee1

Yeah I have a "fan club" at the firing range that is really really safe when I show up as the range master for the day. When I call a safety violation , I get real rude and loud about it. Folks tend to remember safety after I make my point known . Peer pressure works .....at least they are alive to be pissed at me when I kick em off the firing line......


41 posted on 09/14/2005 10:41:08 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; KJC1

More like the suggestion in post 38. I was thinking of a practical joke on the instructor that went wrong. Unlikely, but it's hard to come up with a better defense in the middle of the night.


42 posted on 09/14/2005 10:44:39 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: HiTech RedNeck
How do you kill someone with a blank?

Ask Jon-Erik Hexum.

Simunitions are not blanks anyway. They are paintballs sized down to fit in the caliber of the weapon that you are training with.

43 posted on 09/14/2005 10:45:51 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: Squantos

Yup... I'd rather be a live arsehole than a dead good ole boy. I was at a range once where the range master knocked the crud out of some fool that refused to play safe, after repeated warnings.

Sounds like you have done some LEO time. Yes?


44 posted on 09/14/2005 10:46:12 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: PAR35

Prayers for Her Family.

Why does this remind me of the cop with the glock in the school saying that he's the only one in the room qualified to SHOOT HIMSELF!


45 posted on 09/14/2005 10:48:33 PM PDT by ChefKeith ( If Diplomacy worked, then we would be sitting here talking...)
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To: clee1

Yep retired military, and former deputy......I shoot about two days a week now for fun and once a week for work. IDPA and Leg Matches etc etc ....


46 posted on 09/14/2005 10:51:22 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Triggerhippie
Jon-Erik Hexum

Yeah that's the guys name....aside from Bruce Lee's kid that was the one I was thinking of......Thanks !

47 posted on 09/14/2005 10:53:10 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos

Thought so... I think LEO's can "smell" one another...

BTW, I dig your tagline!


48 posted on 09/14/2005 10:54:17 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Squantos

I just saw your page and love the Dud Test pic.

That is one way to eliminate the "cocked striker" hazard.


49 posted on 09/14/2005 11:00:55 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: kenth
The instructor, who was not named, has been placed on administrative leave until an internal investigation by the sheriff's office, the county police department and Austell police.

Sorry; but why isn't the Georgia Bureau of Investigation (that is what they call it, isn't it?) or the state police investigating, instead of the involved sheriff?

50 posted on 09/14/2005 11:06:31 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Marching Morons are coming...and they're breeding more Democrats beyond all reason!)
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To: PAR35

just damn


51 posted on 09/14/2005 11:06:38 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: Triggerhippie

Yep....LOL, It's a livin .......:o)

I am looking for the bug bunny pic of him testing duds for the war effort in WWII......that was as close as I could get !

Stay safe !


52 posted on 09/14/2005 11:07:36 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: kenth

Anyone take my bet that there was a Glock involved?


53 posted on 09/14/2005 11:07:49 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Amish with an attitude
It's sad but accidents do happen, an instructor should know better.

An accident is a deer running into the front of your car. This was more than likely neglect, someone not paying attention.

54 posted on 09/14/2005 11:09:23 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: FreedomCalls

Hmmmmm 80% of LEO issue is Glock , other 20 % is SIG and S&W etc if I was to guess.....safe bet IMO !

Work on yer poker face if yer here for free money FC....:o)

In all honesty I believe the make and model ain't the issue it's the lack of thought behind the trigger....(I'm a 1911A1 fan so not defending glock :o)

Stay safe !


55 posted on 09/14/2005 11:19:35 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: KJC1
True. I've never accidentally discharged a firearm. Every weapon is loaded. Every time you pick it up, you check it. You might accidentally pick up a different weapon, or someone might put a round in it.

Unfortunately, people who handle firearms on a daily basis tend to get too comfortable around them. FWIW, I train firefighters rather than police officers, but am acutely aware that 10% of fire service deaths occur during training exercises. The day you don't get a couple of butterflies in your stomach when a cadet does high angle or during a live fire exercise is the day you need to retire. You're going to kill someone.

The thing is, after you make that screw up and let somebody clear a fifth floor window while they're improperly racked onto the rope, all the coulda's shoulda's and woulda's don't make any difference. The guy screwed up. The thing is there are screwups you laugh about and screwups that wake you up in the middle of the night for the rest of your life.

BTW, to all the cop haters on this thread. Next time you're mugged, call a junkie.

56 posted on 09/14/2005 11:24:53 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: Black Tooth

From the Atlanta paper:

All ammunition is banned from the building, said Warren, who declined to release the instructor's name or any initial findings as to why he had the pistol. Warren provided no further details of how or why the gun fired.

Further, a state policy bans any working firearm — loaded or not — from academy classrooms, said Bob Sanderson, assistant director of the Georgia Public Safety Training Center in Forsyth. The state oversees the center in Austell and nine other regional police academies.

"In the classroom, they use what is called a red gun, models that are made of red, hard plastic that are replicas of actual handguns," he said.


57 posted on 09/14/2005 11:25:33 PM PDT by Not_Who_U_Think
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To: Squantos

I'm a CZ man myself.


58 posted on 09/14/2005 11:26:13 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Not_Who_U_Think

A lot of old schoolers think the rule is for someone else. Since the department isn't releasing info, you're left with speculation, but my GUESS is that he carried his own weapon into the classroom, and was probably the highest ranking officer there. You generally don't tell higher ranking officers that their breaking regs, and few civilians will tell an officer to remove his sidearm when he enters a building.


59 posted on 09/14/2005 11:29:12 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: PAR35

Note that Kennesaw is the town that passed an ordinance requiring heads of households to be armed, IIRC. It seems counterintuitive and somewhat ironic that this unfortunate accident should happen in that particular town.


60 posted on 09/14/2005 11:33:32 PM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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