Islamist terrorists organizing in Bosnia & Islamist terrorists organizing in Bosnia

The Washington Times ^ | Sep. 14, 2005

[ma bell]

The ones i know blame outsiders and that is proven that outsiders stoked the flames. FRY politicians were the pawns and were manipulated with promise of aid and money etc...

The death camp photo was staged. 2003, I went to Omarska and Trnopolje, it was staged, littlejohnny.

[johnnyBbad]

He is another opportunist liar.

Who, Jared Israel?

[johnnyBbad]

The death camp photo was staged.

Yeah the photo was staged - the horrible story of the came was NOT! Even the authors of that LM piece say it was a horrible place.

2003, I went to Omarska and Trnopolje, it was staged, littlejohnny.

Gee wiz, you mean the place was cleaned up eight years after the war? Thanks for that update, Captain Obvious!

[johnnyBbad]

As our two Islamist cheerleaders can show you...

Boooooooring!

[johnnyBbad]

So I guess Bosnia's now a lot like Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, or Pakistan, huh?

[ma bell]

actually, i stand corrected. Justin Raimondo, my mistake.

of course it was cleaned up, as you say. That was a Refugee processing center that is normal in any ground theatre of war. it is called getting the COBs into one area. You get the DCs into an AA and you process them. Whilst doing that, you determine who the bad guys are and you seperate them. It happens all the time on all sides and each country.

[ma bell]

next time i am in that area, i will take a picture from difft angles, Major jonnyonthepotty.

in the early stages, you don't have the finest facilities, they are typically crude then built up from there. They didn't have KBR to do their services, Opie.

[johnnyBbad]

in the early stages, you don't have the finest facilities...

Or the finest guards for that matter!

Funny how pictures, witness statements and human rights reports on Serb camps are all "Islamic propaganda" and "anti-Serb bias" and yet Serbs will then whine about Muslim "concentration camps" without half the evidence of the claims they dismiss!

[johnnyBbad]

actually, i stand corrected. Justin Raimondo, my mistake.

Pretty much the same. The guy said he wishes Japan had won World War II!

[DTA]

>>> This lost the libel trial because that claim was rubbish.<<<

Penny Marshall won the libel case becase LM HURT HER FEELINGS, not because of factual error or false claims ("was rubbish" as you say.)

Under British libel law, you may say the truth and lose the libel case, as demonstrated in Liberace case.

Liberace lied without blinking under oath that he is not a homosexual and won the libel case aganist british tabloid.

he would be thrown out of any American court.

The case of Penny Marshall (i.e her bosses in MI6/ITN) is no different. Mendacious litigation that worked.

What followed, the explloitation of stills from Penny Marshall fake video is the best orchestrated holocaust revisionist ploy since "Hitler diaries". Sadly, no Jewish organisatin came forward to protest the abuse of memory of 6 million who perished in The Holocaust.

Belsen was not a fake story. Penny Marshall's was and they were blended together.

[johnnyBbad]

Had LM won the case it would have added fuel to every Serb claim that their atrocities were all lies.

Thankfully that was not allowed to happen - forwhatever reason, I don't care.

There has never been any question in my opinion or in the article that I published that this camp was anything other than a grim place at which there were beatings, there were killings and there were rapes. There has never been any question of that. We have never argued contrary to that. - Michael Hume

I do not say that they at the time were able to leave and there - you know, there were fences, there were guards, which we have seen here, armed guards. - Thomas Deichmann

So DTA - in your personal view, what were conditions in the camp like? Do you disagree with the LM author and editor in that it was an awful place? Do tell.

[johnnyBbad]

By the way, lest you think I'm a rabid Serb hater (not that I really care if you do) I do disagree strongly with the notion that Serb camps - or those of Croats and Muslims - were in any way Belsen-like.

Horrible, yes, in no way of the scale or savagery of the Nazis/Ustashe/Gulags/Pol Pot or any of the other horrors the camps were regularly compared to.

[getoffmylawn]

Had LM won the case it would have added fuel to every Serb claim that their atrocities were all lies... Thankfully that was not allowed to happen - forwhatever reason, I don't care.

Ugh. I kind of had hope that you had a little something on the ball and you were just misinformed or you happened to have run into a bad batch of Serbs until I read this piece of crap post. Not too bright. Your subtext stinks of racism.

If you can't sit back objectively and figure out why your post is so terribly shallow, ask someone that you consider to be smarter than you to explain it. It's not very flattering.

[johnnyBbad]

Ah the race card, tried tested and true.

Frankly, I had no idea Serbs were a race (always seemed white like me), or that disagreeing with their nationalist element about an atrocity that everyone else seems to understand was "racism."

Whatever. It's just funny at this point anyway.

[montyspython]

Now you're being plain stupid, congratulations on such an achievement.

[montyspython]

You're trying to obfuscate the issue, the fact that it was not the camp that ITN made it to be should be apparent but we know how the intellectually disingenuous operate.

[joan]

There has never been any question in my opinion or in the article that I published that this camp was anything other than a grim place at which there were beatings, there were killings and there were rapes. There has never been any question of that. We have never argued contrary to that. - Michael Hume

Yes, but that is his "opinion" and it appears he is just going along with the propaganda and giving into criticism against him for going against the grain (supporting Serbs).

Did he witness any beatings, killings, or rapes by sight or sound? NO, not any.

Did he see evidence on their skin or clothes that they had been beaten or did the film crew and their stills have a shred of evidence of this? NO. There are no abrasions, no cuts, no bruises, no swollen jaws, black eyes, no limping, no moaning or complaining of being in pain (the men only complained of being hot that August day). Some of the men took their shirts off exposing their arms, chests, and backs - no evidence of any beating on their skin. Their clothes don't show dirt or blood. So where is visual evidence of anyone being beaten?

I do not say that they at the time were able to leave and there - you know, there were fences, there were guards, which we have seen here, armed guards. - Thomas Deichmann

He does not say that they were able, though he is not saying he is positive they were unable. He really doesn't know. And yes there were fences - here and there - including the dilapidated one around the shed - but the men weren't completely encircled by fences. The area was semi-open and included a red cross center and other facilities on the grounds. That there were guards was a sign that a war was going on - their were armed factions, criminals, and mafia running all around at the time, and the people and grounds needed some number of guards when you have that situation and a crowd of people. I'm sure the number of guards was less concentrated than what they had in New Orleans, guarding those at the superdome and convention center.

[johnnyBbad]

LOL!

[johnnyBbad]

Yes, but that is his "opinion" and it appears he is just going along with the propaganda and giving into criticism against him for going against the grain (supporting Serbs).

Think about what you're saying here joan. The very people who "exposed" the "truth" about the camps actually agree that they were in fact awful. Yet you don't!

Did he witness any beatings, killings, or rapes by sight or sound? NO, not any.

And how many people who makes claims of Muslim "death camps" in Sarajevo actually saw what happened with their own eyes?

Very few, if any. As with Serb-run camps, most reports rely on refugee accounts and the odd confession.

Doesn't stop you from believing in those Muslim camps, does it?

[joan]

The Serbs from the Muslim and Croats camp have often been left with scars and permanent injuries. Many became disabled - the evidence is there - but the mainstream media has blockaded that.