German sources suggest Bosnia-linked cell preparing new UK attack

Serbianna ^ | September 13, 2005

[tgambill]

Hopeless, you aren't following your own advice. I've given you logic, and in following the basic routine, you use weak verbal attacks, characteric of someone without an argument or any basic facts. Look at your posts. Not one single shread of argument or fact to work from. Your only argument is to counter my evidence, with empty verbage. Amazing that you don't see it. It's really sad.......

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"Which missiles? The ones you still have yet to show are in the Balkans?"

***** Are you sleep walking? Are you even looking at this thread? Do you have any idea how empty your arguments have become? No answer necessary, it's self evident.

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"Oh, those missiles.

Yeah, gonna have a problem there, Tom."

***** Well, now we are getting somewhere. You finally admit it. There is hope for you yet.

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"Cripes, even an everyday high jumping analogy is beyond you - but you've managed to blunder into something pertinent: this debate is in Limbo until you get someone to explain the basic elements of Logic to you."

***** What does this have to do with the discussion? Once again you are a long way off and with no logic in accordance with the current thread. You need help...serious self reflection.

[FormerLib]

Just keep pushing that bar as low as you need to keep getting over it.

It's not possible for us to push the bar low enough for you to reach it, pancake-boy.

[Kenny Bunk]

THIS IS GONNA HURT.

The United States for many reasons, most of them bad, has clearly chosen to be on the side of the Muslim Bosnians and Albanians ... and even worse ... we took NATO with us.

The Saudis bankrolled a massive PR Campaign, run by Ruder and Finn, to convince the world ... especially us...that the Muslims were the victims, even as they continue to rape, burn monasteries and churches to the ground, desecrate christian burial grounds, and terrorize ALL non-Muslim inhabitants in the territories they control, especially Kosovo. But the truth will, eventually, out. Bosnia, and their historic hitmen in the cause of Turkey and Islam, the Albanians, are major factor in world terrorism.

World press reports aside, the Serbs have suffered the most in this tragedy, being overun with refugees from Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo. These people whose story is untold, and will probably always remain so, are survivors of brutal massacres and campaigns of murderous persecution. The Serbs have lost Kosovo. They were brutally bombed, losing the best infrastructure in the whole region, and while suffering few military casualties, suffered the loss of civilian lives at the hands of a frustrated NATO.

The trouble is that the side that is unquestionably more morally worthy, even if not by much, i.e., The Serbs, always rightly claim that keeping the European Muslims under control is a dirty job. No excuse. They did it in a dirty way, and they got caught by hypocrites.

That Ruder and Finn's masterly campaign of disinformation actually worked is easily enough proven. The Albanians and Bosnians are no dummies ... just like Arafat used to do ... they have one line for the Muslim world and another for the gullible left-wing press of europe and the US.

The Bosnians especially are smart enough to run a two-track government ... one all pious protestation ... the other a down and dirty jihad support unit.

Our problem: There are surely no angels in the Balkans. But the Bosnians and their feral hitmen, the Albanians, are sure enough devils.

[attiladhun2]

The entire media response to the issue of atrocities against Serbs raises a troubling question: why did the press show such minimal interests in Serb claim of death camps housing their own people?

Two reasons--MULA and Christiene Amanpour. By backing the Bosnian Muslims and later the Albanian Kosovars, the MSM was assured of keeping their "news" outlets all over the ME. Secondly, "the whore of war" so slanted the reporting from this region that the MSM anointed the bloodthirsty sons of Ustachi and SS butchers their victims de jure.

[tgambill]

My, you didn't tell me that in January 2002 you knew about the missiles. You tend to leave out key information. Also, Destro told me to tell you hi...:)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/611893/posts

http://www.rediff.com/us/2001/nov/22ny8.htm

"One Arabic language article describes how in 1999 bin Laden received Russian anti-aircraft rockets from Bulgaria and how the rockets were smuggled through Pakistan with the help from 'Albanian separatists who are fighting in southern Serbia'."

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Now, to set the record straight, there were in fact 17 MPRI members with the NLA. They were helo lifted out of harms way when the Macedonians were closing in on their positions in Aracinovo. This is definite as they, (MPRI) was also active in Operation Storm advising in military operations.

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Talking about the KLA training facilities in Northern Kosovo. The northern Kosovo area was only one of many regions where the KLA trained. In some cases there were reports of them training with the MUH in Macedonia and an area near Kamenica. There were also several other training areas located in the GSZ, outside of the American KFOR boundary lines. I know this because on one occasion the American KFOR reported in the year 2000, that members of the UCPMB would walk up to the Observation points and give them their (UCPMB), training schedules for the training they were conducting within the 5 mile GSZ (Ground Safety Zone between Kosovo boundary and Southern Serbia.

There were also training areas in Prizren, several near Pristina, and PEC. Despite the fact that I have many of the grid coordinates, KFOR HQ in Pristina gave me a copy of THE Map entitled, "NATO/KFOR UNCLASSIFIED: ILLEGAL TRAINING AREAS"; Dated 01 Oct 2003. As a matter of fact it was given to me by a German Major from KFOR even before Bondsteel had a copy.

A report summary that I wrote:

"I also know that Islamic Fundalmentalist are operating with NLA members in Macedonia and Albania.

Following the days of the UCPMB activity and years afterwards, I had learned about “Illegal Training Areas”. The American forces never did believe that it was going on simply because they couldn’t see it. They were hampered because the groups knew when the patrols were going out, they had lookouts, and when patrols were seen, the training would cease. Finally in 2003, I was visiting Pristina and encountered a German Officer that I was acquainted with. He, nonchantly offered to give me a “map” of “Illegal Training Areas”, which included areas in my region as well as areas in the entire province of Kosovo. The map was listed as unclassified and could be distributed to members of the KFOR, UN and OSCE. I looked with amusement at how they could have an official map of areas that “didn’t exist”. He belonged to KFOR Headquarters in Pristina. The following week the Major attended a meeting in Camp Bondsteel and presented the map to the American forces, and to their surprise." END

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You wrote:

"You'll recall the last time the training camps in Kosovo ploy was tried by Pravda, it turned out they named a village that was in fact a Serb village, much to the resident's surprise."

*******Wrong......the training areas were in fact being conducted around Serbian villages. This instilled intimidation and fear around the villages. I can give you names of many Serbian sheep herders that were murdered when they ventured into these areas. The UCPMP would post "wood cutters" as lookouts for KFOR helo's and KFOR patrols. The American KFOR would never acknowledge the existence of these camps. I reported this in every meeting anyway. I also tried to tell them that the camps were mobile with lookouts.......usually near barns for quick access in case of helos overhead. When? 1999 to at least 2004.....

I noticed even back in 2002, you liked to mess with people. You love the word...."Cripes".

[attiladhun2]

I understand Turkey took a blind eye to Al Qaeda, HAMAS, Hizbollah, Islamic Jihad and other ME terrorist groups transiting the country on their way to conduct jihadist operations in Bosnia. Source: S. Huntington and The Clash of Civilizations.
And they are in line to become part of the EU?

[Kenny Bunk]

The Bosnians, adopting Islam and forsaking Christianity, because of a unique set of politico-theological-just-plain-contrariness-balkan set of historical reasons, were the Turks' favorites. They were (and are) an attractive people, which was always enough to get Johnny Turk excited.

The Bosnians were the brains of the Turkish outfit, the feral Albanians, many of whom also turned apostate, were (those that didn't flee) did the dirty work among the South Slavs.

Guess some things never change. I guess the Turks have their own version of Aztlán, planning on a Muslim reconquest of Balkan Europe.

[Hoplite]

My, you didn't tell me that in January 2002 you knew about the missiles.

Learn how to read, Tom.

[tgambill]

uh, hmmmmmm? let's see, this is 2005. So, 2002 is before 2005. We discussed the missiles in 2005 and you discussed the missiles in 2002 with others, yet you didn't mention that this was also brought up then, and confirmed once again in 2005. So, is this clear as mud for you....:)))

You must have gotten paid more back then, since you wrote more. Did the DOS or Imams whoever, stop paying you what you're worth.......so, now I get only a few words.....I feel cheated.

[SQUID]

Germans should know all about that. They trained Islamic groups to fight against the long hated enemy; Serbs.

[Hoplite]

you discussed the missiles in 2002 with others

Like I said, Tom: Learn how to read.

[tgambill]

Well, I did...and most all of your posts were completely wrong and off track. You have not hit one accurate premise or trend yet. It's very frustrating to read your posts, and realize that what you read is useless......

[tgambill]

I assume that you are serious. You need to "bone up" on the strategy that the U.S. and UK is using to move the FRY into the New World Order.

The Islamic Fundies moved Stingers to the Balkans in order to deal with the Serbians and later the UN/'KFOR forces.

Yes, they are old, but their means of resistance has always been that way.....

"probably be useless today"????? You really want to measure this threat with a probably?? I don't think so.....

No, they are now focusing on the U.S. and the Balkans to organize another "French riots"........Most of you people do not understand the true agenda of Islamic doctrine.

The stingers were shipped to the immediate threat.....the Balkans in 1999-2004.....they never got the opportunity to use them. The stingers will be more of use in the Balkans when the Jihad makes the lame excuses for more riots........

The stingers were not useless when they were smuggled. Given the life expectancy of a stinger, let's forget the long term..focus on the immediate...

The Jihad will be soon and ready for war.....

[tgambill]

They would ship stingers and helo's in order to Macedonia to deal with the NLA......

Tom

[tgambill]

No, they are keeping a low profile due to using the Balkans as a planning locale. Also, the stingers were discovered by KFOR using a lie detector test on Albanian terrorist.

They didn't use the stingers against the Serbs because they didn't need to. U.S. and NATO forces did the job for them. They were going to use the stingers against NATO forces for future ops........The problem for them is that Islam is not catching hold in the Balkans yet.....Imams build their power base first......They don't have the power base established in the Balkans. That is the reason there weren't any riots. Glad you brought that up. If there was a power base, then the riots would of happened.

They are not even close to establishing the same power base they have in Denmark, and other European countries.

[tgambill]

I lost my train of thought for that post.....The stingers would of been used against Serbian forces early on. However, the stingers brought in later on that we were told about were being stored for possible use against NATO forces...but it never happened. The reason, I can only surmise that they were discovered due to the investigations........or, as I said before the support base in the Balkans is not sufficient yet to support terrorist operations. There is also a curious relationship between U.S. and NATO intell. with the Islamist in the Balkans. NATO was working with them from the beginning...........

http://www.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,91134-bosnia_p3705,00.html

[Hoplite]

Well, I did

Then what other excuse, besides gross intellectual incompetence, can I possibly owe the pleasure of your referencing me back to that thread to?

Seriously - what was the reason for post #85 and saying that I "knew about the missiles" when a cursory review of the referenced thread shows it's about missiles going from the Balkans to Afghanistan, which is exactly what I was talking about in post #47?