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Intelligent design [was] old news to Darwin
Chicago Tribune ^ | 13 September 2005 | Tom Hundley

Posted on 09/13/2005 4:15:07 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

So what would Charles Darwin have to say about the dust-up between today's evolutionists and intelligent designers?

Probably nothing.

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Even after he became one of the most famous and controversial men of his time, he was always content to let surrogates argue his case.

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From his university days Darwin would have been familiar with the case for intelligent design. In 1802, nearly 30 years before the Beagle set sail, William Paley, the reigning theologian of his time, published "Natural Theology" in which he laid out his "Argument from Design."

Paley contended that if a person discovered a pocket watch while taking a ramble across the heath, he would know instantly that this was a designed object, not something that had evolved by chance. Therefore, there must be a designer. Similarly, man -- a marvelously intricate piece of biological machinery -- also must have been designed by "Someone."

If this has a familiar ring to it, it's because this is pretty much the same argument that intelligent design advocates use today.

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The first great public debate took place on June 30, 1860, in a packed hall at Oxford University's new Zoological Museum.

Samuel Wilberforce, the learned bishop of Oxford, was champing at the bit to demolish Darwin's notion that man descended from apes. As always, Darwin stayed home. His case was argued by one of his admirers, biologist Thomas Huxley.

Wilberforce drew whoops of glee from the gallery when he sarcastically asked Huxley if he claimed descent from the apes on his grandmother's side or his grandfather's. Huxley retorted that he would rather be related to an ape than to a man of the church who used half-truths and nonsense to attack science.

The argument continues unabated ...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: anothercrevothread; crevo; crevolist; crevorepublic; enoughalready; thisisgettingold
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To: Paloma_55

"One approach, if followed leads to a human race that evolves into a world of peace. The other leads to a human race that evolves into destruction.

Ironic, eh?"



It would appear that we're evolving into the latter, thus showing that a majority of the species have actually 'followed' the evolutionary conclusions of the latter approach...while claiming to follow the former, religious approach.

Unlike your point, this one isn't that ironic.


541 posted on 09/13/2005 6:30:56 PM PDT by Blzbba (For a man who does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favorable - Seneca)
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To: PatrickHenry

I have both. If you want a friend that doesn't eat its own poop, get a cat.


542 posted on 09/13/2005 6:34:33 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: PatrickHenry
It's a little known fact that 74.69% of creationists own cats

Tripper, meet PatrickHenry. PatrickHenry, meet Tripper.



543 posted on 09/13/2005 6:46:43 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Is this a good tagline?)
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To: js1138; VadeRetro

544 posted on 09/13/2005 6:49:53 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Discoveries attributable to the scientific method -- 100%; to creation science -- zero.)
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To: PatrickHenry

I'll get you next time, Gadget. Or is that the wrong show?


545 posted on 09/13/2005 6:51:28 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Thatcherite; Junior

To me, atheism is the only logical conclusion. Since Junior believes in a God but is still logical in all other regards, the only conclusion we can make is that his nuts is bigger than yours.


546 posted on 09/13/2005 6:57:05 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: b_sharp
Since Junior believes in a God but is still logical in all other regards, the only conclusion we can make is that his nuts is bigger than yours.

My nuts is bigger than anyone's.

547 posted on 09/13/2005 7:03:35 PM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: Junior

Mumps after childhood, huh?


548 posted on 09/13/2005 7:05:34 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Thatcherite; Elsie

I'm what you would call a 'strong atheist'. To me the statement - There is no God - is just a statement of fact.


549 posted on 09/13/2005 7:05:46 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Wouldn't it be easier to keel haul them?


550 posted on 09/13/2005 7:07:06 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Paloma_55

"Suppose there are two families trapped in a hurricane ravaged area. There is enough food and water to keep one family alive.

"What would Darwin's theory predict the behavior of Family A to be?

"1) Give the food to family B.
"2) Take the food for family A and let family B fend for themselves."

The evolutionarily successful tactic would be to save the food for the children of both families. What would the Christian solution be?


551 posted on 09/13/2005 7:14:19 PM PDT by Trimegistus
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To: b_sharp; All
wow. these threads really get interesting after all the crevos say their prayers and go to bed....
552 posted on 09/13/2005 7:15:28 PM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: shuckmaster
wow. these threads really get interesting after all the crevos say their prayers and go to bed....

Best laugh of the day!

553 posted on 09/13/2005 7:26:36 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Is this a good tagline?)
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To: b_sharp

And mellifluouser too.

554 posted on 09/13/2005 7:34:33 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
"Do slime molds form societies?"

Only those that belong to self flagellating sects.

555 posted on 09/13/2005 7:38:08 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: b_sharp
Only those that belong to self flagellating sects.

I will refrain from making a homophonic comment.

556 posted on 09/13/2005 7:44:54 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Paloma_55
"So, based upon the theory espoused by some that forming social organizations is an advanced form of evolution...

"Humans - evolved
"Cougars - not evolved
"House cats - perhaps evolved
"Dolphins - evolved
"Honey bees - evolved
"termintes - evolved

"I think this is made up. I think that humans recognize a moral value to other human's lives and that is why they value them, not for selfish survival needs

You are quite right, it is made up - by you.

No one ever said that evolution is more advanced in social animals. We said, if you would care to read the posts, that the evolutionary path taken by any given organism is based on different circumstances and is therefore different. One path is not 'more' or 'less' advanced than any other, just different.

557 posted on 09/13/2005 7:50:46 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
"Our cat trained me to open the door for her so she can get in and out of the house. "

My cat is trying to train me to fill her food bowl. She jumps on my lap, meows until I notice her, then runs over to her empty bowl. If I don't jump up right away she'll continue to repeat the action. Apparently, at least according to her, I'm too stupid to be easily trained.

558 posted on 09/13/2005 7:56:35 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: PatrickHenry
"It's a little known fact that 74.69% of creationists own cats, while 86.66% of evolutionists own dogs.

And those of us that own both?

559 posted on 09/13/2005 7:59:28 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Junior

You wear it well, no one will notice. No really, no one will notice.


560 posted on 09/13/2005 8:01:59 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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