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[colorado tanker]

Thanks, for an oldie but goodie.

The Battle of Vienna is very relevant to today. This began the slow reconquest of the Turkish Empire that eventually led to Christian Europe coming back almost to the gates of Constantinople in the early 20th Century. The subsequent disintegration of the rest of the Turkish Empire in the Middle East led to the instability we are still sorting out in an area that had not known self-government for four centuries.

IMHO, if you want to understand the Muslim world today, start by understanding its four centuries of decline.

[Fractal Trader]

I bet you didn’t know this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagel

An oft-repeated story states that both the bagel as well as the croissant originated in 1683 in Vienna, Austria, when an Austrian baker created them to commemorate the victory in the Battle of Vienna over the Turks that besieged the city. Similar to the crescent-like bend croissant (Hörnchen in German, little horn) which is said to have been inspired by the Turkish flags, the bagel is supposedly related to the victorious final cavalry charge led by King John III Sobieski of Poland. Thus, the baked good was fashioned in the form of a stirrup (German: Steigbügel, or the similar Bügel-shaped horseshoe, or saddle, tales vary).