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It points towards Mecca (Flight 93 memorial)
Politicalities ^ | Sept 11,2005 | Jonathan Haas

Posted on 09/12/2005 12:10:14 AM PDT by spycatcher

It points towards Mecca

Today is September 11.

Michelle Malkin and other bloggers are buzzing about the proposed Flight 93 memorial, which bears a striking resemblance to an Islamic crescent. Zombie produces an animated image consisting of the memorial (rotated so the arms of the crescent point to the right) overlapped with the crescent of the Tunisian flag. The juxtaposition is nearly perfect.

Zombie also links to this image credited to "Etaoin Shrdlu". What you're seeing is an azimuthal equidistant projection of the globe centered on the Flight 93 crash site. On such a projection, the concentric circles represent a fixed distance from the center, and the angle of a straight line from the center to any point represents the azimuth between the two points. Etaoin's image shows that a line perpendicular to the endpoints of the crescent (that is, the direction the crescent faces) appears to pass very close to Mecca. Mecca sits near Saudi Arabia's western coast with the Red Sea, and as Etaoin's image shows, the crescent points right at it.

But I've always been one to go for cold calculations over pretty pictures, so I set to find out if indeed the crescent points towards Mecca. Here's what I came up with:

According to this site, the latitude/longitude coordinates of Mecca are 21.4234, 39.8262 and the coordinates of the Flight 93 crash site are 40.052, -78.8963. Using the calculator from this site, I determined that the azimuth between the two points is 124.80°.

Next I went to the Flight 93 National Memorial website and found the biggest overhead view of the memorial I could find with north oriented up. I measured the distance from tip-to-tip of the crescent and came up with 64px east-west and 90px north-south. The arctangent of 64/90 is the angle between north and a line drawn between the tips, which works out to 35.42°. Adding 90° to this angle gives the direction the crescent faces as 125.42°.

Conclusion: the crescent points towards Mecca with an error of 0.62°, or 0.17%. If you take a circle and divide its circumference into 580 equal arcs, the angle subtended by one of those arcs is the error. (Bear in mind that any error in my figures could change this value; the figure most open to interpretation is the distance in pixels between the tips of the crescent.)

I don't know if the architect deliberately made his design look like an Islamic crescent, or if it's coincidental. I don't know if the architect deliberately made his crescent point almost directly towards Mecca, or if it's coincidental. What I do know is that a memorial in the shape of a swastika would never be permitted, whether the resemblance was intentional or a coincidence. Nor would a memorial resembling a Confederate battle flag.

The strong resemblance of this memorial to an Islamic symbol, whether intentional or accidental, is grossly insensitive to those of us who find it offensive. The commission needs to go back to the drawing board.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 911memorial; aliens; crescent; crushislam; embrace; flight93; flight93memorial; islam; islamisevil; lousydesign; mecca; muslim; redcrescent
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To: DaGman
This looks like an urban legend in the making. Someone sees something that's not there, puts it on the internet and an urban legend is born. Actually it looks to me like someone tried to pull a big joke over on us all. At this point I wouldn't be surprised to find an area with 72 trees of "virgin forest" and Allah spelled out somewhere in the plans.
141 posted on 09/12/2005 6:18:21 AM PDT by spycatcher
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To: King Prout

"3. The Arab's "Insh'Allah" is roughly equivalent to a Mexican's "manana" - If an Arab says "XYZ will be done, insh'allah" don't hold your breath."


In reviewing your profile page, I note one serious error in the statement above. You don't mention the reason Inshallah and Manana are "rough" equivalets to one another. Inshallah is Manana without the sense of urgency. (not to hijack a thread or anything...)


142 posted on 09/12/2005 6:30:30 AM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: Old Student

ah. I'll need to add that.


143 posted on 09/12/2005 6:34:26 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: King Prout

The whole "Crescent of Embrace" thing is very creepy.

I started a google search on the designers and firms listed on the web site and just get mush and PR about their ecological conservation and "Green" building techniques. At first glance they look like a bunch of tree huggers who are rolling in $$$.

As a Christian, it offends me that even the slightest hint of the religeous background of the perpetrators of this attack would be used in the design for a memorial. Its beyond the pail.


144 posted on 09/12/2005 6:43:38 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Its only funny till someone gets hurt, Then its HILARIOUS.)
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To: OXENinFLA
Thanks for the ping
coincidence...just coincidence...
145 posted on 09/12/2005 6:53:07 AM PDT by firewalk (no)
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To: martin_fierro
Outstanding graphic.

This is no accident. Architects of such works are heavily into symbolism. This creep is busted. He can't deny it now.

146 posted on 09/12/2005 6:53:30 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: D-fendr
I see the Washington Monument

The Washington Monument is a pagan obelisk, a male feritlity symbol, that sits opposite the Capital Dome, a female fertility symbol.

Islam has pagan origins, so the similarity isn't surprising.

147 posted on 09/12/2005 7:09:53 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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Would a cross have been acceptable. Of course not. Not in our PC age (pun intended). How, then can a crescent be acceptable. It's clearly a memorial to the terrorists not the innocents.
148 posted on 09/12/2005 7:18:29 AM PDT by webboy45
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To: King Prout
wondering how you will phrase your reaction to this memorial design...

Well, I probably should not respond to anything related to Flight 93 for other reasons, but I think this is a phony controversy for a phony issue. We have better fish to fry.

149 posted on 09/12/2005 7:21:14 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache-Helping to keep Liberals free to be stupid since 1977)
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To: King Prout
1. the crescent is an islamic symbol

The swastika is also an American Indian, Buddhist and Hindu symbol, dating back at least 3,000 years, but because the Nazis used it for a while the PC brigade has been trying to eradicate it. They even had it removed from a high school yearbook in a heavily American Indian community.

Are we now part of the PC brigade?

150 posted on 09/12/2005 7:22:54 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Ruth A.
Does anyone remember the huge flap that Hart inspired by using a crescent shape on an outhouse in the B.C. comic strip. That was a comic strip and not a memorial, but the lefties sounded long and loud about that.

I keep remembering reactions to the 1994 Schwartenegger movie "True Lies" which depicted -- horrors! -- Muslim terrorists as Bad Guys.

CAIR and its ilk raised a holy stink about that ("It's a Religion o' Peace!").

151 posted on 09/12/2005 7:23:16 AM PDT by martin_fierro (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: spycatcher

The moon in the memorial is all about the Shriners not Islam.


152 posted on 09/12/2005 7:38:31 AM PDT by floridarocks
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To: King Prout
A simple argument against the design is this: now that people do see the Islamic symbolsim in it there will surely be vandalism. The site would become so distorted that the design wouldn't work. Best to think of something different.

Then watch the process like a hawk.

153 posted on 09/12/2005 7:40:41 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
"Are we now part of the PC brigade?"

No. We are part of the "We don't want to be forced to be Muslims against our will" brigade.

154 posted on 09/12/2005 7:41:38 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Earth to liberals..we were not in Iraq on 9/11..so how did the war cause terrorism again?)
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To: Fresh Wind

"Mein Quran"?


155 posted on 09/12/2005 7:45:50 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: D-fendr

The architect could have used any shape with straight lines and we would not be having this discussion. He did this on purpose.


156 posted on 09/12/2005 7:50:34 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: spunkets

Heinz Foundation? As in Teresa Heinz Kerry?


157 posted on 09/12/2005 7:57:47 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Our Lady's Hat Society)
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To: King Prout

BTW, make sure there isn't any difference between Japanese Mulberry and the Mulberry commonly found in the US...might be a different specie...
Not to complicate your day or anything ;-)


158 posted on 09/12/2005 8:04:32 AM PDT by Dawsonville_Doc (Moving to NC as fast as I can...)
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To: King Prout

There was no doubt earlier. The designer needs an attitude check.


159 posted on 09/12/2005 8:20:46 AM PDT by RightWhale (We in heep dip trubble)
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To: martin_fierro
While googling for Paul Murdoch, the architect, I came across this bibliography

ISLAM : a Selection of the Books in the Library of the Department for International Development Cooperation, Ministry for Foreign Affairs.

Finnish Ministry for Foreign Affairs, that is.

One entry in the list:

MURDOCH, PAUL
Puolikuu ja pohjantähti : muslimit keskellämme / Paul Murdoch. - Helsinki : Suomen Lähetysseura, 1996. - 152 s. Da

Using a dictionary this translates to (I'm not kidding):

MURDOCH, PAUL

Crescent and the North Star : The Muslim Center / Paul Murdoch. - Helsinki : Suomen Lähetysseura, 1996. - 152 s. Da

Now there must be a thousand Paul Murdochs around and it's probably a bizarre coincidence. I have no idea how to check if it is the Paul Murdoch.

160 posted on 09/12/2005 8:23:20 AM PDT by sumocide
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