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To: 4CJ
Here's what someone you support, Alexander Stephens in his "Cornerstone Speech" of March 21st, 1861 had to say. Stephens was the hand picked "Vice-President of the new Confederate States of America."

"The new [Confederate] constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution -- African slavery as it exists amongst us -- the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.

What was that? "present revolution"

Wild stuff eh? On one hand Stephens states the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution..what was what? Slavery? But you and the neo-confederate cultists always issues 'other reasons' for the start of the Civil War? Now why would you be contradicting Confederate big shot #2?

Stephens further noted in his speech to fellow 'Confederates', to resounding applause, that his values were in direct contradiction to those of the Declaration of Independence. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated [race slavery] as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right....Our new government is founded upon ... "the great truth, that the Negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition."

Well, well Slick, how would your Black neighbours like to discover (as if they don't already know) you support ardent, vicious white supremacist views like that?

Mmmmmm, spill the beans Col Sanders, lay your cards on the table, not the neo-confederate con job you are so famous for.

"No one sold out their country."

LOL

If that's not the height of extreme DiLorenzoism. I suppose the Civil War was started by people invading America from Iceland in longboats.

"The Supreme Court had previously held UNAMIMOUSLY that the President could not simply take matters into his own hands. The Attorney General did extend his opinion on the matter as well:"

Naturally you mean the same pro-slavery, pre-1860 Supreme Court which gave America the infamous, later overturned Dred Scott case?

Slavery was the cause of the Civil War. It was the issue that made America ungovernable by the late 1850s. It was the issue that saw open warfare in "Bleeding" Kansas in 1856, in Virginia in 1859. All of American politics in the decade before 1860 was about slavery, in one form or another.

The Southern Plantation rulers would never have attempted carving out their out separate Slave Empire from the United States of America, nor would the pro-slavery traitors have fired on Fort Sumter if they did not believe the North would actually try to eliminate their precious slavery.

You try and spin it as "Empire was not their desire, escaping from of union of fanatical lunatics was."

What a delusional sick comment.

"Devoid of morals? I detest uncivilized warfare waged against innocents - you admire the terrorists that waged such."

You are the one vehemently supporting the 'slavery forever' Confederates, not I.

In the grand scope of monumental issues confronting America in 2005, the 'cause' of the neo-rebel malcontents is Neo-Redneckery, a backward joke from a failed & regrettable portion of America's tragic past.

792 posted on 10/04/2005 11:32:17 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: M. Espinola
When Alexander Stephens' statement about the cornerstone of the Confederacy is mentioned, the silence from our pro-CSA friends is deafening. Whatever role tariffs had, and I won't deny that they were an additional cause of friction, was a mere sideshow to the cornerstone issue. Tariff contentions could be resolved through the normal Constitutional political process, but the resolution of the main issue impelled the slaveowning interest to rebellion and resolution on the battlefield.

Here's a quote by Howell Cobb about proposed use of slaves in the CS army.

"The moment you resort to negro soldiers your white soldiers will be lost to you. The day you make soldiers of them is the beginning of the end of the revolution. If slaves will make good soldiers our whole theory of slavery is wrong."

If the fight was about tariffs, why would the white soldiers lose faith in the rebellion? It seems that the white soldiers of the Union didn't have such a problem with black soldiers fighting for the United States.

835 posted on 10/05/2005 2:24:32 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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