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Lincoln holiday on its way out (West Virginia)
West Virginia Gazette Mail ^ | 9-8-2005 | Phil Kabler

Posted on 09/10/2005 4:46:12 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo

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To: stand watie
i note that when you as the Damnyankee Minister of Propaganda has NO HOPE of winning the argument that you ALWAYS post "utter nonsense" as a response.

I post 'utter nonsense' in response to comments made by you too ridiculous for any other reply.

281 posted on 09/14/2005 3:02:39 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: TexConfederate1861
In their acceptance it is stated clearly that they DO retain that right. If the US Government didn't agree to the terms, then why didn't they change the contract?

The state of Virginia was in no position to dictate terms. They accepted the Constitution as ratified and that document has no provisions for states to resume powers granted to the federal government, regardless of their ratification document.

282 posted on 09/14/2005 3:04:29 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

When two parties agree on something and exchange correspondence in relation to a contract, one party or both will state in writing what they agree to. Virginia did that. Since the Feds didn't object, silence is construed as acceptance under the law.

You can slice it anyway you want, but it you can't disprove it.


283 posted on 09/14/2005 6:37:58 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: TexConfederate1861
When two parties agree on something and exchange correspondence in relation to a contract, one party or both will state in writing what they agree to. Virginia did that. Since the Feds didn't object, silence is construed as acceptance under the law.

Nonsense. The only question before Virginia was ratification of the Constitution. Nobody accepted the Virginia Ratification, they accepted the Constitution. And the Constitution does not allow for the states to resume powers granted to Congress.

284 posted on 09/15/2005 3:24:54 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: TexConfederate1861
I believe that the safest course is to hold only to what the document says. The Constitution says that no state may form another confederation, it does not say that only states which do not secede are forbidden to form a confederation.

Was South Carolina a state in 1860? If so, the Constitution did not allow them to form a Confederation, raise an army, etc. There was no secession clause in the Constitution negating the prohibitions.

I think that the perpetual union spoken of in the Articles of Confederation is also pertinent. If the earlier document was meant to be perpetual, the succeeding document where the people wished to make the union more perfect was also meant to be perpetual.

The states never had an autonomous sovereignty apart from the United States. They started as colonies of England and only became separated from this dependency under the United States in the body of the Continental Congress. The Union not only predated the Constitution but also predated the transformation of colonies into states.

285 posted on 09/15/2005 5:06:46 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
The phrase 'No State' refers to a member of the federal republic - by seceding the state and her citizens are no longer bound by the terms of the federal Constitution. Secession is NOT prohibited.
286 posted on 09/15/2005 5:31:50 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross. HIS love for us kept Him there.(||)
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To: Non-Sequitur
And the Constitution does not allow for the states to resume powers granted to Congress.

Nonsense. Cite the specific clause please.

287 posted on 09/15/2005 5:33:04 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross. HIS love for us kept Him there.(||)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Well, we will just have to disagree. Do you seriously believe the people of Virginia took the time to write such a document if they thought it wouldn't be taken seriously. They were ratifying the Constitution with conditions.


288 posted on 09/15/2005 5:35:58 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: stand watie
"personally, i know of NOBODY who thinks that the WBTS has not ended."

Besides working on capitalization, you really need to place some effort on the right terms here.

Now, repeat after me; 'The American Civil War, started by hysterical, pro-slavery Southern politicians, ended in 1865.'

Okay, okay, I realize this is tough, but you're doing fine, just stick with it kid, here we go, repeat; 'I Mr. Stand, hence forth, will refrain from making derogatory comments, directed against Americans, simply for not belonging to the neo-confederate crud club'

There you go Doc, perfect! Just lose the 145 year old uniform at the dry cleaners :)

289 posted on 09/15/2005 6:09:06 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
The Union not only predated the Constitution but also predated the transformation of colonies into states.

Nonsense Walt. The states declared their independence separately, with a common membership in a federal congress. Most had their own armies, nine states had navies of some kind, most had their own monies, conducted diplomatic relations with other nations/states. Each wrote it's own constitution - no Union government wrote it for them.

If India had declared independece the same day as SC, that would not unite them, nor make them members of the same union. Each state ratified for itself, no one could ratify for them. Your assertion is sophistry.

290 posted on 09/15/2005 6:17:06 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross. HIS love for us kept Him there.(||)
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To: stand watie
This wacko tag-line line..... "(being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)" ...would make any first time viewer think you were nine cents short of a dime.

Lincoln's damnyankee Continental just ran me over - y-allll .

291 posted on 09/15/2005 6:36:27 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Again; once South Carolina had passed an ordinance of secession, they no longer were under the Constitution, hence they could not violate it. The people are the clue here. They decided to enter the Union, they decided to leave it. Both were done thru elected reps, in a legislative manner. I don't believe that any state or colony ever intended the Union to be "perpetual"


292 posted on 09/15/2005 6:36:57 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: 4CJ

4CJ, I agree with you, but don't think Colonel is "WLAT"....he debates in a respectful manner. WLAT never did that.....


293 posted on 09/15/2005 6:38:34 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
The Union not only predated the Constitution but also predated the transformation of colonies into states.

Circa 1750.

294 posted on 09/15/2005 6:43:35 AM PDT by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: Non-Sequitur; TexConfederate1861
Nobody accepted the Virginia Ratification, they accepted the Constitution.

Now you're just lying.

295 posted on 09/15/2005 7:54:51 AM PDT by Gianni
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To: Grand Old Partisan; 4CJ
Per my previous post, refuting the lies and lunacies of the neo-Confederates is a waste of time. They just ignore logic and make up things as they go along, whatever it takes to advance their hate-USA agenda.

The History Channel did a one-hour documentary on the Dahlgren papers in an episode of History's Misteries and all involved concluded that the papers were genuine and the orders to assasinate Davis and cabinet eminated from the White House.

By Grand Old Partisan Logic, watching the History Channel is a waste of time. The HIstory channel ignores logic and makes things up as they go along, whatever it takes to advance the History Channel's hate-USA agenda.

296 posted on 09/15/2005 7:58:19 AM PDT by Gianni
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To: Non-Sequitur
i'm sure you hope some here are too clueless to understand that you are only posting your usual DAMNyankee PROPAGANDA.

PLEASE explain to this "ignorant southern boy" what YOUR understanding of the TENTH AMENDMENT to the BOR is. (you might post the 10th, for all to read too.)

free dixie,sw

297 posted on 09/15/2005 7:59:35 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: M. Espinola
GM, MORON.

are you REALLY that STUPID to believe something so OBVIOUSLY UNTRUTHFUL & SIMPLISTIC????

you really should go post your IGNORANT, south-HATING bilge on DU, where you so obviously belong.

free dixie,sw

298 posted on 09/15/2005 8:02:36 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: mac_truck

Unite or Die

circa 1860

299 posted on 09/15/2005 8:03:05 AM PDT by Gianni
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To: M. Espinola; All
your posting of nothing but blather, simplistic stupidity, silly cartoons & LEFTIST south-HATING BILGE (out of the most extreme, LEFTIST, "nut-job", REVISIONIST fringe of northeastern academia) makes even the members of your DAMNyankee coven on FR ashamed that you are on "their team".

but we southrons are REALLY pleased that you are on the DY team. it makes ALL of them look STUPID, ignorant (and possibly racist), as they have NOT publicly & LOUDLY repudiated you & your rants.

EVERY one of your DUMB-bunny posts ADVANCES the Southron LIBERTY cause!

free dixie,sw

300 posted on 09/15/2005 8:09:42 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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