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Yearly US Deficit or Surplus, 1961-2004
http://www.cbo.gov/ ^ | 09/09/05 | Congressional Budget Office

Posted on 09/09/2005 10:14:51 AM PDT by GinaB



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: agitprop; bush; bushbashing; congressionalbudget; deficit; peacedividend
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1 posted on 09/09/2005 10:14:56 AM PDT by GinaB
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To: GinaB

On it's face, it's pretty damning of Republican administrations. It's only a superficial view of course.


2 posted on 09/09/2005 10:18:21 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: GinaB; Always Right

BTTT


3 posted on 09/09/2005 10:18:47 AM PDT by hflynn ( Soros wouldn't make any sense even if he spelled his name backwards)
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To: GinaB

D- "Take assignment back and reconfigure in constant $"

Professor Econ


4 posted on 09/09/2005 10:19:16 AM PDT by Rippin
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To: glorgau

On the surface, but below the surface (Deficit as a Percentage of GDP) it's a chart put together at the DNC.


5 posted on 09/09/2005 10:22:04 AM PDT by hflynn ( Soros wouldn't make any sense even if he spelled his name backwards)
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To: GinaB

Oh yeah, the current projection for the FY 2004 is about $330 billion, not the $480 billion in the graph, but what's $150 billion when you're trying to make a point? ;-)


6 posted on 09/09/2005 10:23:41 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: GinaB

Of course Clinton's "surplus" was make believe, created by borrowing heavily from SocSec and Medicare in off the book no interest no legal reason to pay them back loans. Turn those into regular t-bills and Clinton was in deficit just like everybody else.


7 posted on 09/09/2005 10:25:56 AM PDT by discostu (When someone tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back)
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To: Rippin
D- "Take assignment back and reconfigure in constant $"

The difference under Bush is far more than you can make up for by adjusting for inflation.

8 posted on 09/09/2005 10:26:19 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: GinaB

The Clinton side was BS since they were only PROJECTED figures.


9 posted on 09/09/2005 10:26:58 AM PDT by Bommer
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To: discostu
I'm not a financial wiz by any stretch but I always figured that X42's numbers should be adjusted for the scams and scandals and artificial reporting of profits on Wall Street that were a hallmark of 'those years' but never detected until shortly there after.
10 posted on 09/09/2005 10:31:19 AM PDT by YankeeinOkieville
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To: antiRepublicrat
The difference under Bush is far more than you can make up for by adjusting for inflation.

How much more? Your contention can only be rationally held by someone who has adjusted for inflation. Point stands.

11 posted on 09/09/2005 10:34:08 AM PDT by Rippin
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To: GinaB

It's why I didn't vote for Bush in 2004. And it's why the "Republicans" with a MAJORITY in Congress are a joke! They have the opportunity to fix this, but instead care more about their "careers". Sickening.


12 posted on 09/09/2005 10:36:46 AM PDT by mosquitobite
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To: glorgau

Actually, FY 2004 is over already... but both for 2003 and 2004 the projections are off -

In 2003, the deficit was $378B off budget, or $538B on-budget. 2004, it was $412B off budget, or $567B on-budget. 2005 was looking to be better, but still absolutely pathetic. Whatever happened to fiscal conservatives? There don't seem to be many, if any at all, in DC.... Time to bring back pay-go... you want to make tax cuts permanent? Fine, but you have to cut spending to match...

Granted, things look better as a % of GDP, but debt is debt - if the economy is good, there shouldn't be a deficit. Period. End of question...


13 posted on 09/09/2005 10:40:14 AM PDT by eraser2005
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To: GinaB

Interesting.

How about a new chart using constant dollars!!

For extra credit, plot the yearly "foreign aid" expenditures for the same period - you might be surprised at what you find . . .


14 posted on 09/09/2005 10:42:30 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: GinaB
Anyone have a chart that goes all the way back to 1790?

Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?

15 posted on 09/09/2005 10:45:08 AM PDT by Frohickey
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To: GinaB

Why is Clinton's "net gain" +523 million and not +382 million?

Somebody needs to go back to 2nd grade math.


16 posted on 09/09/2005 10:45:51 AM PDT by UNGN (I've been here since '98 but had nothing to say until now)
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To: Rippin
Your contention can only be rationally held by someone who has adjusted for inflation. Point stands.

Forgetting Clinton's surplus spike, did the value of a dollar go down by that much between GHW Bush and current Bush? According to the BLS calculator, GHW's $280B is worth about $377B today, still over $100B shy of current Bush's mark.

So, no, inflation doesn't excuse Bush's wild spending habits. Point dies.

17 posted on 09/09/2005 10:48:53 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: GinaB
I've got more historical data at my homepage, ZPRC. I include data going all the way back to 1791. There is a page with several charts and graphs covering various years.
18 posted on 09/09/2005 11:01:08 AM PDT by zeugma (Muslims are varelse...)
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To: Frohickey
Anyone have a chart that goes all the way back to 1790?

See my previous post.

19 posted on 09/09/2005 11:21:14 AM PDT by zeugma (Muslims are varelse...)
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To: antiRepublicrat
So, no, inflation doesn't excuse Bush's wild spending habits. Point dies.

Is the federal government spending too much? "Yes." Do I blame the Repbulicans? "Yes." Does this chart help us quantify it? "No." Is the President given primary responsibility for the budget? "No." Did 'W' use veto power enough? "No." Remember the number one way to start becoming a dumb liberal is to oversimplify stuff.

20 posted on 09/09/2005 11:24:22 AM PDT by Rippin
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