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Corpses, Guns Found in New Orleans Homes
Associated Press ^ | Sep 9, 10:56 AM EDT | DON BABWIN

Posted on 09/09/2005 8:13:25 AM PDT by 300magnum

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To: xzins; P-Marlowe
It's hornbook Criminal Procedure law that not all searches and seizures require warrants, provided it is reasonable to do so. Warrants are not absolutely required, for example, for exigent circumstances. That the vast majority of the city is a festering, oozing mess of toxins and microbes would certainly seem to qualify for "exigency."

Some other posters claimed that the fact that electricity is being turned back on shows that the infrastructure will be back in weeks. First of all, only the trunk lines are being turned back on so as to aid in clean up and receonstruction. The electric companies won't be placing a high priority on making sure that each house has functioning electrical hook-ups. Secondly, there is more to infrastructure than electricity and water. In order to survive in a city, one must be able to obtain fresh food, since it is almost impossible to "live off the land" in an urban area. The supermarkets will not be functional; anyone who stays behind will be dependant upon the food provided by rescue workers - and no one has the right to a gravy train of MRE's delivered to your out-of-the-way house.

121 posted on 09/09/2005 9:46:00 PM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: Nov3
Where will the food and supplies necessary to survive in an urban area for an extended time come from? It's not as though the local A&P will be open, nor will there be regular delieveries of food - and I strongly doubt if many of these lingering survivors have an 8-mo. cache of food availible. They will be forced, rather, to impose upon rescuer workers to deliver MRE's.

There is more to infrastructure than electricity. And that assumes that electricity will be restored to their house. The report I heard on the radio today said that the power companies were returning electricity to the trunk lines, but would not be servicing individual's house hookups. The electricity is intended for powering the cleanup and rebuilding process, not individual survivalists.

122 posted on 09/09/2005 9:49:37 PM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: combat_boots
Clever. But isn't there also a bunch of stuff about warrants and probable cause and such legal details?

It's hornbook law that in an emergancy ("exigent circumstances"), a warrant is not required because the search and seizure is reasonable. That's why cops can burst in through a door to preserve life and limb if they have probable cause to believe that this intervention will stop a crime in progress.

123 posted on 09/09/2005 9:58:24 PM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: jude24; xzins
Some people have two to three months of supplies of water and food and toilet facilities. Yet those people are being driven from their homes and their guns confiscated under the pretense of some kind of vague emergency.

I don't like it. This sets a TERRIBLE precedent. There is no precedent for the forced evacuation of an entire city under the pretense of disease prevention. There is something more here. Something sinister.

124 posted on 09/09/2005 10:12:02 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: jude24
IMO, our jackboots are righteously searching for gang caches annd Qaeda/devout muslims following Mo'ham' to the letter. "Just following orders" we've seen before. It is dangerous to good men and women.

EXIGENT: perhaps, but simply because the State's police powers are absolute whether "under color of law" or not - but now eagerly in action, there is nothing in our Law that can nullify our ratified Constitution. Blackrobe politicians will backstop jackboots. Some people, Cajuns in particular, have long memories and long guns.

All elected officials were grossly derelict, now compounding their mistakes.

125 posted on 09/09/2005 10:29:22 PM PDT by SevenDaysInMay (Federal judges and justices serve for periods of good behavior, not life. Article III sec. 1)
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To: Nov3
I wonder which one of our cop freepers is going to call this an outrage???

You could have pinged me.

Not being famiiar with LA laws and such, I doubt being a jittery citizen was probable cause to seize firearms, IMO, I like the idea of the good folks being able to hold down their little own slice of LA. I'd want to leave town too if Chief Clownass was telling me to go steal guns. People will remember this. I've had citizen help a few times whn it was handy. Steal their stuff...probably never see it agian. And heck no, I would be part of it either. Good night. It's late

126 posted on 09/10/2005 1:08:57 AM PDT by Horatio Gates
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To: jude24; P-Marlowe
I have a different take on the government requiring an evacuation for emergency conditions than I do on the government taking guns.

Gun ownership and bearing is covered under a separate amendment to the constitution. the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

The 2nd amendment spells out everyone's right to have guns.

127 posted on 09/10/2005 2:27:03 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: P-Marlowe; jude24
Something sinister.

PM, I visited Biloxi a few years back and have a pretty good image of it in my mind. I stayed on the beach and visited all around Keesler AFB. The pictures I saw after this hurricane of just that area showed incredible devastation, near total devastation.

I would withhold any judgment about something sinister going on for about a year or so.

It is a fact that there's been a natural catastrophe take place. It is a fact that that was followed up by a flood.

It is a bit too soon, imo, to ignore this extraordinary circumstance.

128 posted on 09/10/2005 2:35:16 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: G.Mason
I believe it is in the Constitution [the new and revised addition] that they have every right to re-write the laws according to their needs and desires.

The “Living Document” style of governing?
129 posted on 09/10/2005 2:52:55 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: R. Scott
"The “Living Document” style of governing?"


"Living" for them, but it's killing US.


You don't think that's the plan, do you? ;)





Build their gallows high

130 posted on 09/10/2005 3:14:17 AM PDT by G.Mason
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To: G.Mason
You don't think that's the plan, do you?

Ah, would they be that low?
Yes.
131 posted on 09/10/2005 3:17:52 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: P-Marlowe
"They are in the process of draining the city. People should be returning to their homes, not being forced out."

Fear. Fear of getting dirty. Fear of liability of asking others to get dirty...etc.

A local story ran of an old mercury thermometer breaking within the city limits and having to call out the HAZMAT team.

132 posted on 09/10/2005 3:48:09 AM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy"...I mean, JOHN ROBERTS now fills this space!)
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe
Actually, if you want to be hyper-technical, the 2A (like the entire Bill of Rights) applies only to the Federal Government. It is only through the incorporation clause of the 14A that any of the Bill of Rights applies to the States. Only those rights "fundamental to the concept of ordered liberty" are incorporated.

Once again, it is hornbook law that States have broader police powers than the Fed. gov't. The fact that the State of Louisiana ordered the surrender of firearms in an area where law and order completely broke down doesn't bother me. It may be unwise, but it is 100% legal.

133 posted on 09/10/2005 5:10:25 AM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: Sender
Whatever happened to the concept of citizens being the allies of the law? We once were on the same side, it was us versus the bad guys, and cops were glad for help.


That was before the police force was militarized.

Now it's the loes VS the civilians.

And it's just going to get worse as more and more of the police across the nation are replaced by x-military who have been used in "population" control and nation building.
134 posted on 09/10/2005 5:26:13 AM PDT by THEUPMAN (#### comment deleted by moderator)
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To: xzins; jude24
PM, I visited Biloxi a few years back and have a pretty good image of it in my mind.

They are not confiscating weapons in Biloxi. Nothing unusual is going on in Biloxi that hasn't gone on in Florida or in Xenia Ohio. They are not kicking in the doors of people whose homes were not damaged and stealing their weapons and bussing them to Montana.

What they are doing in New Orleans is... frightening.

135 posted on 09/10/2005 6:39:45 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: jude24; xzins
It's a public health crisis. The city is oozing with bacteria off-the-charts, since the water is a festering, stinking mess containing all kinds of chemical contamination and raw, unprocessed sewage.

Nice PRETENSE for a wholesale violation of constitutional rights. Too bad it has no foundation in fact.

CDC reports no disease outbreaks so far




Chicago Tribune

(KRT) - Although health officials were preparing for outbreaks of deadly diseases in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, the federal Centers for Disease Control said Thursday that no epidemics had materialized so far.

Doctors are seeing some clusters of diarrhea, along with skin rashes and infected wounds. But the CDC said an epidemic of cholera or typhoid was "very unlikely." Medical experts said the main concerns currently are potential outbreaks of gastrointestinal disease and flu-like illnesses in the shelters, where thousands of refugees from the New Orleans area are still living in cramped quarters.

"No disease outbreaks have been reported as of September 8, 2005 in areas affected by Hurricane Katrina," the CDC said on its Web site.

136 posted on 09/10/2005 7:08:03 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Horatio Gates
What I said about Squantos goes for you too. I don't think you would be dragging people out of their undamaged homes on the say of a petty mayor. It scares the F out of me how many are not only doing it but acting like it is the right thing to do.

What freaks me out even further is the apparent lack of outrage by the people here that have either swallowed the "toxic water" swill or like seeing a police state in action. If the water is so effing toxic why aren't the cops walking around in MOP suits?

The lack of outrage by cops here is telling. When the orders come, we all know what they will do.

Gun seizures from LAW ABIDING citizens!!! Cops rumaging through private citizens property without warrants!! This country may not be worth fighting over and that is something I never thought I would say.

137 posted on 09/10/2005 7:35:18 AM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Horatio Gates

If ordered by a mayor -would you seize guns? Would you remove people from their houses?


138 posted on 09/10/2005 7:37:12 AM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: 300magnum

What is going on with some at FR - They claim that FEMA could not start rescue and relief "without permission" becuase that would make the gubmint jack booted thugs -

meanwhile, we have jackbooted thugs taking the only means of protection these folks have?


139 posted on 09/10/2005 8:48:40 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: Joe 6-pack

PERFECT PIC


140 posted on 09/10/2005 8:49:15 AM PDT by spanalot
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