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No gouging, just supply and demand
Denver Post ^ | 09.08.05 | David Harsanyi

Posted on 09/08/2005 11:08:53 AM PDT by aynrandy

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To: bvw
To make this a choice only between accepting price collusion in restraint of trade OR heavy handed government price controls is a red herring. We put the book-cookers from Enron and Worldcom in prison for theft, the oil robber barons need a dose of the same medicine. They are stealing from the public just the same. Will that happen? The fox is guarding the hen house; not enforcing the law is corruption at the highest levels.
221 posted on 09/09/2005 6:26:09 AM PDT by aspiring.hillbilly (!...The Confederate States of America rises again...!)
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To: kaki
The gawdam Republicans have run the federal government for the past 1/2 dozen years, if they are still obeying demonrat rules for no drilling or no refinery construction enacted when the spawn of Satin was in power thats the fault of the lackluster spineless pubbies. There is no excuse for not drilling off the coast of California, or the slopes of Alaska, Florida or anywhere else while the citizens are being fleeced by outrageous gas prices due to lack of supply. There is no excuse for monstrous regulations on refinery construction that hasnt allowed one new refinery in 30 freeking years to be built. We expect demon-rats to behave like rats, but the republicans in charge obeying all these leftover stupid rules is by far more outrageous!
222 posted on 09/09/2005 6:41:56 AM PDT by aspiring.hillbilly (!...The Confederate States of America rises again...!)
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To: aspiring.hillbilly
Offering to sell something to the public at a price one desires is not, never, never ever stealing!

However you want to bastardize justice, criminal code, and government by making it a crime.

223 posted on 09/09/2005 6:53:56 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw

FYI:


Illegal Business Practices

Horizontal agreements among competitors:
Agreements among parties in a competing relationship can raise antitrust suspicions. Competitors may be agreeing to restrict competition among themselves. Antitrust authorities must investigate the effect and purpose of an agreement to determine its legality.

Agreements on price. Agreements about price or price-related matters such as credit terms potentially are the most serious. That’s because price often is the principal way that firms compete. A "naked" agreement on price -- where the agreement is not reasonably related to the firms’ business operations -- is illegal. Hard core -- clear or blatant -- price-fixing is subject to criminal prosecution.

Are similarity of prices, simultaneous price changes or high prices indications of price-fixing? Not always. These conditions can result from price-fixing, but to prove the charge, antitrust authorities would need evidence of an agreement to fix prices. Price similarities -- or the appearance of simultaneous changes in price -- also can result from normal economic conditions. For example, vigorous competition can drive prices down to a common level. A general increase in wholesale gasoline costs due to production shortages can cause gasoline stations to increase retail prices around the same time. As for the appearance of uniformly "high" prices, collusion may not be the only basis for the situation. Prices may increase if consumer demand for a product is particularly high and the supply is limited. Ask any shopper in search of a particularly popular children’s toy.

Agreements to restrict output. An agreement to restrict production or output is illegal because reducing the supply of a product or service inevitably drives up its price.

Boycotts. A group boycott -- an agreement among competitors not to deal with another person or business -- violates the law if it is used to force another party to pay higher prices.

Boycotts to prevent a firm from entering a market or to disadvantage a competitor also are illegal. Recent cases involved a group of physicians charged with using a boycott to prevent a managed care organization from establishing a competing health care facility in Virginia and retailers who used a boycott to force manufacturers to limit sales through a competing catalog vendor.

Are boycotts for other purposes illegal? It depends on their effect on competition and possible justifications. A group of California auto dealers used a boycott to prevent a newspaper from telling consumers how to use wholesale price information when shopping for cars. The FTC proved that the boycott affected price competition and had no reasonable justification.

Market division. Agreements among competitors to divide sales territories or allocate customers -- essentially, agreements not to compete -- are presumed to be illegal. At issue in one recent case was an agreement between cable television companies not to enter each other’s territory.

Agreements to restrict advertising. Restrictions on price advertising can be illegal if they deprive consumers of important information. Restrictions on non-price advertising also may be illegal if the evidence shows the restrictions have anticompetitive effects and lack reasonable business justification. The FTC recently charged a group of auto dealers with restricting comparative and discount advertising to the detriment of consumers.

Codes of ethics. A professional code of ethics may be unlawful if it unreasonably restricts the ways professionals may compete. Several years ago, for example, the FTC ruled that certain provisions of the American Medical Association’s code of ethics restricted doctors from participating in alternative forms of health care delivery, such as managed health care programs, in violation of the antitrust laws. The case opened the door for greater competition in health care.

Restraints of other business practices. Other kinds of agreements also can restrict competition. For example:

* A large group of Detroit-area auto dealers agreed to restrict their showroom hours, including closing on Saturdays. The agreement reduced a service that dealers normally provide -- convenient hours -- and made it difficult for consumers to comparison shop. The FTC challenged the agreement successfully.

* A group of dentists refused to make patients’ X-rays available to insurance companies. The FTC maintained that the agreement restricted a service to patients, as well as information that would be relevant to reimbursements. The Supreme Court upheld the FTC’s ruling.

Proving a violation in these kinds of cases depends largely on proving the existence of an agreement. An explicit agreement can be demonstrated through direct evidence -- a document that contains or refers to an agreement, minutes of a meeting that record an agreement among the attendees, or testimony by a person with knowledge of an agreement. But an agreement also can be demonstrated by inference -- a combination of circumstantial evidence, including the fact that competitors had a meeting before they implemented certain practices, records of telephone calls, and signaling behavior -- when one company tells another that it intends to raise prices by a certain amount. This evidence must show that a company’s conduct was more likely the result of an agreement than a unilateral action.

Vertical agreements between buyers and sellers
Certain kinds of agreements between parties in a buyer-seller relationship, such as a retailer who buys from a manufacturer, also are illegal. Price-related agreements are presumed to be violations, but antitrust authorities view most non-price agreements with less suspicion because many have valid business justifications.

Resale price maintenance agreements. Vertical price-fixing -- an agreement between a supplier and a dealer that fixes the minimum resale price of a product -- is a clear-cut antitrust violation. It also is illegal for a manufacturer and retailer to agree on a minimum resale price.

The antitrust laws, however, give a manufacturer latitude to adopt a policy regarding a desired level of resale prices and to deal only with retailers who independently decide to follow that policy. A manufacturer also is permitted to stop dealing with a retailer who breaches the manufacturer’s resale price maintenance policy. That is, the manufacturer can adopt the policy on a "take it or leave it" basis.

Agreements on maximum resale prices are evaluated under the "rule of reason" standard because in some situations these agreements can benefit consumers by preventing dealers from charging a non-competitive price.

Non-price agreements between a manufacturer and a dealer. Manufacturer-imposed limitations on how or where a dealer may sell a product, e.g., service obligations or territorial limitations, are generally not illegal. These agreements may result in greater sales efforts and better service in the dealer’s assigned area, and more competition with other brands. Some non-price restraints may be anticompetitive. For example, an exclusive dealing arrangement may prevent other manufacturers from obtaining enough access to sales outlets to be truly competitive. Or it might be a way for manufacturers to stop competing so hard against each other. Take the case against the two principal manufacturers of pumps for fire trucks. It involved agreements that required their customers, the fire truck manufacturers, to buy pumps only from the manufacturer that was already supplying them. That meant that neither pump manufacturer had to fear competition from the other.

Tie-in sales. The sale of one product on condition that a customer purchase a second product, which the customer may not want or can buy elsewhere at a lower price, is a tie-in. Requirements like these are illegal if they harm competition. A recent example: The FTC charged a pharmaceutical manufacturer with tying the sale of clozapine, an antipsychotic drug, to a blood testing and monitoring service.


224 posted on 09/09/2005 6:59:26 AM PDT by aspiring.hillbilly (!...The Confederate States of America rises again...!)
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To: aspiring.hillbilly
Oh, so you are a planned central economy fan? Like Ma Russia, with farmer-jeans wearing, timothy-grass chewing, lil' Joe Stalin running her spread?

What exactly is the Constitutional role, the US Constitution, that is, of the FTC? Is it really to reach into private business and tell them that, gee, you car dealers can come to some agreement, or formalize a tradition, of only being open Monday through Friday, 11 am to 8pm, and Sunday noon until five? I missed that clause in the Constituion, nor do I -- a rational, educated man of years see any possible emanation of the charted powers we established that gives the Federal government any genuine authority under their charter to do so? No! They have none!

You may aspire to poverty like as was had on Ma Russia's backwoods spread, but I do not. When you condone the real theft of one party -- that is the Feds --- by assuming authority they have not been given and using that authority to impose upon or to take from others, while celebrateing the taking from innocents of what you desire by no other authority than that very desire then you have entered a valley of breaking poverty and tyranny. We do not join you, and we will oppose you. We, btw, will win. You shall fall or join back with the lawful.

225 posted on 09/09/2005 7:14:06 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
You dunderhead! Its either accept crooked operators in the marketplace OR if you think the law should be adhered to that is tantamount for being in favor of soviet style centrally planned economies?

Now this breed of crooked operators, in addition to price fixing, also cook the books:(Enron and Worldcom) loot the assets of stockholders: (Tyco and a cable outfit whose name escapes me now) and all manner of corporate negligence and treachery that fleeced stockholders and pension funds of hard earned money.

Your type will cheer the capture of a lowlife bankrobber who steals at the point of a gun, but let some friggen SUIT steal millions with a spreadsheet or pen and you barely bat an eye. Your ethics need some self introspection at the very least....!
226 posted on 09/09/2005 7:04:59 PM PDT by aspiring.hillbilly (!...The Confederate States of America rises again...!)
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