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Snope's Urban Legends: The New Orleans School Buses
Snopes.com ^ | 6 September 2005 | Snopes.com

Posted on 09/08/2005 7:09:32 AM PDT by BlackRain

School Buses

Claim: Photograph shows school buses caught in a flooded New Orleans parking lot.

Status: True.

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TOPICS: US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: blamegame; buses; bushhaters; cantcatchabus; democrats; goebbelswouldbeproud; left; liberals; mediabias; nagin; neworleans; neworleansblame; propaganda; snopes; thebiglie; usefulidiots
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To: RegulatorCountry
I guess what I don't understand is that the city, even in callous disregard for the residents, didn't get the busses to higher ground as a precaution.

There is a fortune there with brackish/salt water eating away in crankcases, transmissions, and differentials, and repairing or replacing that fleet will cost a grundle.

Relocating the busses to higher ground would have had them available later if something did go wrong.

It seems as if these unimaginative jerks are incapable of planning for a disaster as well as carrying out any plans they may have had.

141 posted on 09/08/2005 9:50:34 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: PMCarey

Of course, if the left wing moonbat mayor and governor had not dropped the ball on their end exacerbating the crisis, those people could have at least begun to be moved before they were caught by rising flood waters. They failed miserably at implementing their already in place plan of evacuation. I strongly suspect we here in Texas were preparing to accept evacuees without the necessity of being told to do so by the federal government.


142 posted on 09/08/2005 9:55:29 AM PDT by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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To: BlackRain
Whether this photograph truly represents a lost opportunity to have evacuated a substantial number of New Orleans residents ahead of Hurricane Katrina is difficult to assess. Such a claim presumes an availability of resources (e.g., experienced drivers, fuel) and workable logistics (e.g., sufficient means of notifying and getting residents to departure points, sufficiently clear roads for multiple trips out of town and back, adequate facilities within a reasonable driving distance capable of providing shelter, food, and water to a large number of people for an indeterminate period of time on short notice) that may or may not have been present.

If the local government is run by effective leaders, arrangements will be made to insure that these things are present. If the local government is run by incompetent buffons, then the buses will just sit there and get flooded.

(There's no guarantee that all the buses shown in this picture were even in working condition.)

Well, they obviously aren't in working condition now. If an unusual number of them weren't in working condition before the storm reached land, that's yet another city snafu.

And, given the particular geography of New Orleans, any such evacuation would have had to have begun well in advance of Hurricane Katrina to avoid exposing residents to the potential danger of being stuck in buses on traffic-clogged roads in the path of an approaching hurricane.

Hmmmm.... somebody them rocket scientists could put up one of those "satellite" things so we can see them hurricanes out in the Gulf and get a couple days' warning before they hit. Maybe the Feds could set up an agency for that.

143 posted on 09/08/2005 9:56:40 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Bear_Slayer

I never said he wasn't responsible, and I'm not making excuses, just suggesting some reasons. I'm sorry you can't tell the difference.


144 posted on 09/08/2005 9:58:13 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Bear_Slayer

Actually, I have been busy, but I just now reviewed it.


145 posted on 09/08/2005 9:59:43 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington

I don't think we'll ever know.


146 posted on 09/08/2005 10:00:18 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
indexing.

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147 posted on 09/08/2005 10:01:33 AM PDT by Lurker (Reality cannot be changed by wishful thinking, good intentions, or legislation.)
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To: kcvl
City administrators distributed hundreds of DVDs

Any chance of getting a copy?

148 posted on 09/08/2005 10:02:41 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: discostu

I agree on the droppage.


149 posted on 09/08/2005 10:03:56 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr

Driving those buses...probably required union labor...at overtime rates...and I doubt if the city had the money or the willpower to make that happen.


150 posted on 09/08/2005 10:07:30 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

If you are not being sarcastic, that may quite well be true.


151 posted on 09/08/2005 10:08:50 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: PMCarey

>>where would they have taken all of those people? <<

Baton Rouge or any one of a number of places would have been a start. There were shelters set up in other cities and were accessible by outside agencies and private organizations.


152 posted on 09/08/2005 10:11:05 AM PDT by 1L
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To: stuartcr
Maybe they couldn't get anyone to drive?A 20 year old who had never driven a bus in his life arrived safely in Houston with 70 people he rescued.
153 posted on 09/08/2005 10:15:41 AM PDT by McGavin999 (We're a First World Country with a Third World Press (Except for Hume & Garrett ))
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To: McGavin999

Quite true, but there were a lot of buses, and a lot of people.


154 posted on 09/08/2005 10:29:55 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Callahan; najida; RegulatorCountry
Limbaugh just said that the school buses weren't good enough for the people of New Orleans.

Nagin wanted Greyhound coaches. Can't remember the Nagin statement about having fleets of them converge on NO to
transport people in comfort.

Hmmm, take the yellow school bus or drown while depending on Nagin?

Choices, choices, choices.

Oh, that's easy. There will be little-to-no [city] provided transportion out of the "bowl".

155 posted on 09/08/2005 10:40:26 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: stuartcr
In an organized city, the city managers would have had a notification proceedure prepared. The bus drivers would have been given the word immediately to get their families to safety and then return to drive the buses. If, on Saturday morning, when the voluntary evacuation notice was given, the city had moved all the families of the drivers, the police, the firemen etc. out on those buses and then returned for the evacuees it would have run smoothly and seamlessly. As it is, many of the first responders have lost family and who knows where the bus drivers went.

OR they would have identified volunteers before hand to drive the buses, they could have put the NG on them, there were a thousand solutions but none of them were even attempted.

156 posted on 09/08/2005 10:44:38 AM PDT by McGavin999 (We're a First World Country with a Third World Press (Except for Hume & Garrett ))
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To: PMCarey
without a receiving point you can't drive the buses out of town.

Sorry, but that is plainly bullcrap.

When a Cat 5 storm is a hundred miles away from a below-sea-level city, you get in the damn buses and drive inland until you find a safe place to stay or until the fuel runs out. That is all.

-ccm

157 posted on 09/08/2005 10:45:13 AM PDT by ccmay (Question Diversity)
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To: PMCarey
"If they had used the school buses to evacuate, where would they have taken all of those people? Do you just drive them out of town and leave them somewhere? No.

It seems that kind of thinking would have left them in their homes to drown if applied to the original decision to take them to the Superdome. "If they had used the school buses to evacuate taken people of the ninth ward to the Superdome, where would they have taken all of those people what would they eat or drink?? Do you just drive them out of town to the Superdome and leave them somewhere there? No."

Just as taking them to the Superdome was better than letting them drown in their homes, taking them out of town would have been better than leaving them in the Superdome for five days. The failure wasn't in acting, it was in failure to follow up the original plan. Even after the levee broke, the city was not totally flooded until about a day later. They had plenty of time to take the buses to the Superdome and out of town before it flooded. Heck, they could have even taken them to the high ground in the other part of the town that wasn't flooded.

158 posted on 09/08/2005 10:45:28 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: stuartcr

As for a lack of drivers, Blanco could've had the National Guard on standby to drive the buses.


159 posted on 09/08/2005 10:48:16 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: BlackRain
My Hero Is a Bus Thief

Hey, Snopes, is this an urban legend, too?

160 posted on 09/08/2005 10:50:12 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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