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Judge Grants Injunction To Block Bradley Base Realignment (CT)
WVIT - Channel 30 NBC News ^ | 4:56 pm EDT September 7, 2005 | WVIT - Channel 30 NBC News

Posted on 09/07/2005 8:44:38 PM PDT by nutmeg

HARTFORD, Conn. -- A federal judge on Wednesday granted the state's request to block the federal base commission's recommendation to realign the Bradley Air National Guard Base.

U.S. District Judge Alfred V. Covello granted a temporary injunction to prevent the commission from including the Bradley realignment in its recommendation to President George W. Bush.

"The court is of the opinion that the governor of Connecticut would suffer significant hardship if consideration were to be withheld, as once the recommendation is submitted to the president, the governor's claim that her authority has been abrogated ... is not subject to judicial review," Covello wrote in his decision.

Connecticut officials had argued that the Pentagon cannot realign the Bradley base without the consent of Gov. M. Jodi Rell, who by statute is commander in chief of the state's National Guard. The federal government argued that the commission's recommendation were not reviewable by the courts.

"To be sure, in this case there has been a past harm to the governor's right to disapprove of changes to the organization and allotment of the 103rd fighter wing," Covello wrote.

Rell said she was pleased with the ruling. "I thought the law was very clear," she said. "Our authority has been recognized."

(Excerpt) Read more at nbc30.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: alfredcovello; alfredvcovello; bdl; brac; bradley; connecticut; rell

1 posted on 09/07/2005 8:44:39 PM PDT by nutmeg
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To: nutmeg

They can keep the people there, but the Pentagon can pull the funding and all the equipment.


So I guess the court is sorta right. But it will be a funny looking National Guard Unit.


2 posted on 09/07/2005 8:49:55 PM PDT by dila813
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To: nutmeg
Yup it would be a state gasp militia unit without funding.

The governor can have her own air force if she wants the taxpayers of her state to pay for it.

3 posted on 09/07/2005 9:05:27 PM PDT by dts32041 (Shinkichi: Massuer, did you see that? Zatôichi: I don't see much)
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To: RaceBannon; scoopscandal; 2Trievers; LoneGOPinCT; Rodney King; sorrisi; MrSparkys; monafelice; ...
Connecticut ping!

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4 posted on 09/07/2005 9:08:54 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: dila813
They can keep the people there, but the Pentagon can pull the funding and all the equipment.

Better go back and check your constitution.. see if it's the same as mine..

Article 1 section 8..:
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress..
(Discipline: Training, instruction, conduct, punishment..)

Importantly to this conversation, is the "provide for organizing, arming and disciplining" part..

It is the constitutionally required duty of the congress to provide arms ( guns, ammo, tanks, fighter planes helicopters, artillery, missiles, etc..) to the Militia of each State..
It is not a matter of "authority" to do so.. It is required..

If the U.S. government wants fighter pilots from Connecticut, they had better d**n well "provide" for them and their training, or do without..

Do you want anyone you know going to war as a fighter pilot with no training, no flight hours, in unfamiliar planes that they have no personal experience with?
How many of those "pilots" will come back home?

5 posted on 09/07/2005 9:17:31 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach
I am talking head count, of course they aren't going to leave valuable pilots sitting without planes.

They may fly them out to another base for flight ops each weekend.

The general equipping of these forces, yes they provide (clothes, food, drills), but they don't have to provide anything at the whim of the state.

They can choose to provide them no guns if they want, and they could be drilling with pea shooters if so funded.

Otherwise, every state would have subs, stealthes, etc... etc.. We don't have the money to operate that way.
6 posted on 09/07/2005 9:33:20 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813
The general equipping of these forces, yes they provide (clothes, food, drills), but they don't have to provide anything at the whim of the state.
They can choose to provide them no guns if they want, and they could be drilling with pea shooters if so funded.
Otherwise, every state would have subs, stealthes, etc... etc.. We don't have the money to operate that way.

Sorry to disagree, but you're wrong..

Any "National Guard" unit must be provided..
Article 1 of the Constitution is titled: "Duties of Congress".. that means these are the things the congress is required to do.. Their tasks, as it were..

Arming is specifically stated as one of those requirements..
And it is not "at the whim of the state", it is according to the type of military component that NG unit is..
Artillery units have to be armed with artillery..
Armor units with armor..
Fighter wings with fighters..

Your confusion lies in the idea that pilots can be transported to Illinois to do their training in fighter planes..
Illinois is not authorized to train the Connecticut Air National Guard.. nor is the Federal Government.

Training is the province of the Governor of CT..

Article 1 section 8.. Read it..

7 posted on 09/07/2005 10:07:12 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach
Whatever, believe what you want. It won't make it so.

Why don't you sue, it will be really entertaining.

Congress will put a pea shooting battalion, and will arm them with pea shooters to make you happy. They will be a properly equipped pea shooter battalion.
8 posted on 09/07/2005 10:28:05 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Drammach
If the U.S. government wants fighter pilots from Connecticut, they had better d**n well "provide" for them and their training, or do without..

I may be wrong but in this re-alignment process, the US Govt IS saying they don't want fighter pilots form Conn.

9 posted on 09/07/2005 10:34:18 PM PDT by feedback doctor (Liberals will only go to Wal-Mart for looting!)
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To: feedback doctor
I may be wrong but in this re-alignment process, the US Govt IS saying they don't want fighter pilots form Conn.

As I understand the controversy, it is a matter of numbers..
Connecticut has only a few fighters at their base due to the present commitment in Iraq..
That number is less than the number considered "efficient" for maintenance..
The government's solution is to move those planes to another base, and reach a combined total of planes that is more cost-efficient for maintaining them..

I agree with the idea..
Less cost and man-hours per plane if a certain ratio is maintained.. lower budget costs..

However, I don't think they intended on getting rid of the CT ANG pilots, but having them transported in to New Jersey, or whereever the other base is..
That's unconstitutional.. If they want to use CT ANG pilots, they have to provide for training in CT.. not NJ..
They can close the base if they want, but they can't make the pilots move to NJ, and they can't use them without an airbase in CT.. ( with an exception of 2 weeks every year.. )
That's the law..
And, like I said to the other poster, there are actual constitutional requirements that have to be met..
There are federal responsibilities, and there are State's Rights..
And there is a conflict..

Quite frankly, I understand the States want the money, etc..
But they also want to maintain their power and authority..

This could become a Supreme Court case very easily..

10 posted on 09/07/2005 11:40:22 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach

What if the current CT pilots are not from Connecticut but fly in from out of state to drill? One does not have to be a resident of the state in which one belongs to a guard unit.


11 posted on 09/07/2005 11:55:44 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (When a Jihadist dies, an angel gets its wings)
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To: Drammach

That's unconstitutional.. If they want to use CT ANG pilots, they have to provide for training in CT.. not NJ..
They can close the base if they want, but they can't make the pilots move to NJ, and they can't use them without an airbase in CT.. ( with an exception of 2 weeks every year.. )

Wanna bet? What makes me think that your point of view will not be upheld. Common sense makes me think it.


12 posted on 09/07/2005 11:58:45 PM PDT by flaglady47
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To: VeniVidiVici
Fed Gov gets them for 2 weeks a year..

They've "trained" NG and AR in South America..
But that's all they get, except for when they "activate" them for active duty..

Do you think the Fed Gov is going to use pilots that only fly 2 weeks a year?
In multi-million dollar jets?

13 posted on 09/08/2005 12:07:01 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: flaglady47
Wanna bet? What makes me think that your point of view will not be upheld. Common sense makes me think it.

Wanna bet?
Wanna bet the Governor of Louisiana can keep federal troops out of New Orleans?
States have RIGHTS, and the Federal Government is granted certain "defined" Powers..
The Civil War advanced the cause of federalism, but the States still have Rights..
In fact, the States have rights not defined in the constitution..
Check out the 9th and 10th amendments..

14 posted on 09/08/2005 12:11:17 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach

The thing I never saw explained is why should a state pay for an Air National Guard they don't have?

I can still see where smaller states can be combined with other states to have a larger force, but major changes will have to be made.

Still the cuts are necessary. Most of these bases were set up to meet early Cold War threats. Not only have the threats changed, but today's aircraft have a longer range than even their first models. The F-22 and F-35 are going to be highly expensive compared to current aircraft.


15 posted on 09/08/2005 12:18:36 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult ("Of the four wars in my lifetime, none came about because the U.S. was too strong." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Agreed.. Modernization of all the military is needed, not just the technological side..
We are still using WW2 military base infrastructure in many cases..
Aircraft fly faster and farther today and can carry more cargo..
We don't necessarilly need as many airbases as we used to..

This is an issue of Authority and Power sharing.. (and Money)
Since the States have certain constitutional protections on their side, it will have to be hashed out in Federal Courts..
Probably the Supreme Court..
We will then see if State's Rights or Federalism wins out..

16 posted on 09/08/2005 3:32:32 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach

The whole premise of your argument is incorrect. The National Guard is not the militia. This has been litigated a number of times. In the 80's, Dukakis tried to keep Mass. NG units from sending advisors to El Salvador. He lost in the courts. The NG is just a subdivision of the Army.

This judge is nuts. CT has no chance of winning this. If Governors continue to behave like spoiled little brats, the Feds will only reduce what influence Governors have over the NG, which is not good.


17 posted on 09/08/2005 4:29:54 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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