The Undoing of America?

http://www.jewishworldreview.com ^ | Frank J. Gaffney, Jr.

[manny613]

The U.S. Senate is scheduled today to decide whether to clear the way for the most odious, anti-American piece of legislation in memory: S.147, the "Native Hawaiian Government Reorganization Act." Incredibly, as things stand now, more than 61 Senators are expected to vote to begin a process that would ineluctably unravel the United States as a nation.

[Andy from Beaverton]

While they are at it, give Califonia back to Mexico.

[claudiustg]

We're keepin' Montana!

[w1andsodidwe]

While they are at it, give Califonia back to Mexico.

Then you had better get off of Free Republic. It is located in the state that you want to destroy.

[Rokurota]

This type of legislation doesn't surprise me, but 61 votes does. That means at least a dozenplus Republicans are voting for this garbage.

Will Bush veto? If not, this has to go to the Supreme Court.

[sergeantdave]

Wow, great news. Always wanted to start up the Sovereign Kingdom of sergeantdave on my property. The problem is I've never heard of a dictatorship run by a lowly sergeant. Guess I'll need to promote myself and take the title of Supreme Generalissimo Dave.

Does this mean I can load up on medals from a Russian surplus military store?

[Fishrrman]

Andy from Beaverton writes:
While they are at it, give Califonia back to Mexico.

Stop joking. This is happening as we speak.

Not only California, but also Arizona, New Mexico, and possibly Texas (or parts of it) are being slowly "reclaimed" by Mexicans/Hispanics.

In Hawaii, the transformation will be "de jure": by act of Congress. In the Southwest, the transformation will be de facto, by demographics and the lack of Euro-American resistance.

Sans a border wall and draconian efforts to identify and remove illegals, in time, the Reconquista _will_ succeed.

Of course, a wall isn't going to be built.

And also of course, no one is going to send the illegals back. If anything we will continue to provide millions upon millions upon millions upon millions upon millions (ok, is that enough?) with succor once they arrive.

Euro-America has the power to end - and to reverse - the Reconquista. But having the power isn't enough. What we lack is the _will_ to _use_ the power we have. There is simply no stomach, no collective constitution to recognize what must be done, and then to _do_ it.

As California once was, so it will be again!

- John

[Andy from Beaverton]

It is located in the state that you want to destroy.
You mean it isn't destroyed already???

[putupjob]

There was a war back in 1860 that was centered around this topic. People might want to refer back to that in their future considerations of this question.

[Polycarp1]

The history of our relationship with Hawaii is simply a blight. A coup engineered by American landowners in a sovereign country leads to annexation under circumstances
that stretch the definition "legal" like silly putty.

And now the chickens are coming home to roost, as it were, as native Hawaiians are attempting to take back through legal channels that which was stolen from them. While the particulars of this law may need some work the truth it is based on is clear. Hawaii was taken from its people and fraudulently and forcibly annexed to the US. We may not like to hear that but simply check the history and you will discover how shameful our actions were in this regard.

We are going to have to face up to some things in this country if we really mean what we say about our ideals. And one of them is that in certain cases, and sometimes many cases, we have gotten what we have by force and fraud when dealing with native peoples.

Don't bother to post the exceptions because the history of our frauds in this regard are preserved in the many broken treaties and government records describing our actions in detail. It is not a pretty picture and it is a very large bit of unfinished business that undermines our moral claims on other nations to abide by the rule of law and honor agreements.

I'm waiting, of course, for the heaps of posts describing me as some leftist blankety blank and so forth. I am hardly that. But if you believe that the rule of law matters and that we have legal and moral obligations to observe our own rules and those we agree to in treaties then we have to face up to the fact that in dealing with native peoples, including Hawaiians, we have fallen very short.

[RadioAstronomer]

bttt for later read

[SMARTY]

Yup! Then give Mexico back to Spain!

[Safrguns]

Sounds to me like an issue for the Hawaiians to vote on, before our politicians jump the gun with some stupid legislation that sounds like a response to some special interest group or minority opinion.

[headsonpikes]

Always wanted to start up the Sovereign Kingdom of sergeantdave on my property.

Thirty some-odd years ago I lived near Vern Towdy's spread, which he called 'Towdystan'. The name stuck. ;^)

http://uk.multimap.com/wi/60530.htm

[gridlock]

Wow, great news. Always wanted to start up the Sovereign Kingdom of sergeantdave on my property. The problem is I've never heard of a dictatorship run by a lowly sergeant. Guess I'll need to promote myself and take the title of Supreme Generalissimo Dave.

Clearly, you never heard of this guy:

Master Sargeant Samuel K. Doe
"President" of Liberia - 1980-1990

[theFIRMbss]

>The Undoing of America?

Relax. Hawaii
is like a big nature park
anyway. Who cares

if the "natives" make
Michelle Wie their goddess queen?!
It's not like the Feds

were signing over
all Chicago back to the
Potawatomi!

[Bear_Slayer]

As long as you share it with the rest of us.

[Bear_Slayer]

I've never heard of a dictatorship run by a lowly sergeant

How about a Corporal?

[Oatka]

Can you spell C-A-S-I-N-O-S children?

Those folks have spotted the golden nugget in all ths "Native American" b/s.

All those "native Hawaiians" came from Polynesia and now play the White Guilt routine. Watch for a casino building boom over there if this goes through.

What's the Latin phrase for "Out of One, Many"?

[Polycarp1]

I think that's a good point and some day the issue may come to Hawaiians for a vote. We may not like the outcome but at least they would have a voice.

I'm not sure, though, how this law is different from any other giving a native group recognition and sovereignty.
There is still a legal process by which the government recognizes a group of people as a "tribe" and gives them certain rights in light of that. There are still groups of native peoples seeking that recognition.

That all being said I think that Hawaiians may opt out of the union but the ties are such that it would be hard for them to survive without a US presence in some form. They probably don't have the resources for long term sustenance as an independent nation unless they decide for a dramatically lower standard of living or to be a set of islands totally preoccupied with commerce like a Polynesian version of Hong Kong.

Regardless this all is going to bring some issues that many would like to forget and perhaps change what we mean by the term "United" States. I have never, just my opinion, believed that once a state opts into the Union that the decision is irrevocable (and I live in the North). How can something be a true "union" if it is forced? So some day a place like Hawaii may opt out. There is much to be lost if they do but if that's their choice I believe they have that right.