The Impending Collapse of Arab Civilization

U.S. Naval Institute Proceedings ^ | September, 2005 | Lieutenant Colonel James G. Lacey, U.S. Army Reserve

[Tax Government]

Many observations made about Arabic civilization -- its literacy, modernity, etc. -- could be said of democrats in the U.S. Except birthrate, thankfully.

[wagglebee]

Yeah, I hadn't realized that barbarianism was considered civilized.

[benjaminjjones]

What about the Battle of Poitiers in 732? (I lived there in the early 60's)

They kicked some Muslim A$$ back then too.

We've been at this way too long. Need to put an end to it, once and for all.

They're bad, we're good. Wipe 'em off the face of the earth.

[chickenlips]

No suprprise to me in light of Genesis 12:3. I guess Europe should watch out too.

1 Now the Lord said to Abram,
“Go forth from your country,
And from your relatives
And from your father’s house,
To the land which I will show you;
2 And I will make you a great nation,
And I will bless you,
And make your name great;
And so you shall be a blessing;
3 And I will bless those who bless you,
And the one who curses you I will curse.
And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”

New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (Ge 12:1). LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.

[Texas_Conservative2]

God has cursed everyone that follows the lying, murdering, child molestor mohammad.

You'd think after about 1500 years or so they'd get the message.

[John Lenin]

Fantastic insight in this article, it should be sent to all the leaders of the world as a, MUST READ !

[GOPJ]

bump for later

[Marauder]

No discussion about Islam is complete without a gander at this:

http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/viewGroups.asp?catId=8

[denydenydeny]

Interestingly, on the Arab League's website there is a paper that details all of the contributions made by Arab civilization. It is a long and impressive list, which unfortunately marks 1406 as the last year a significant contribution was made. That makes next year the 600th anniversary of the beginning of a prolonged stagnation, which began a dive into the abyss with the end of the Ottoman Empire. Final collapse has been staved off only by the cash coming in from a sea of oil and because of a few bright spots of modernity that have resisted the general failure.

This is why things will get worse before they get better.

[Rockingham]

The analysis does not seem to recognize that the mortal security threat of terrorism is spurred, not diminished, by the demographic and developmental conditions in the Arab world. In addition, burgeoning non-Arab Islamic populations and regimes have similar imbalances that foster violence and religious extremism. Finally, the West's insatiable need for oil renders a containment strategy implausible and provides ready financing for terrorism.

Arab civilization may be heading for collapse, as the author contends, but barbarian tribes conquered Rome, the Arabs took Byzantium, and the Mongols devastated Baghdad and conquered China. High civilizations can fall prey to masses of violent warriors from their uncivilized periphery. We would be fools to think that we are immune to a similar fate at the hands of Islamic terrorism and waves of immigrants hostile to our infidel existence.

[bluetone006]

"It's not really clear whether the Muslims have ever had a real civilization, or have merely conquered various other civilizations and built on them until they were destroyed by the essential barbarity of Islam.

But you don't need a civilization to conquer and destroy. The Arabs have been very good at that.

No, they won't defeat anyone by employing military force. But they will defeat them by exploiting their weakness and decadence.

I don't see demographic growth is weakening the Muslims. Far from it. Demographic shrinkage is weakening Europe and Japan, and to some extent the U.S. These countries are forced to take in Muslim immigrants or, in the case of Japan, to export more and more of their industrial production to other countries.

The Huns were not civilized or militarily sophisticated, but the overran the Roman Empire. The Mongols overran most of the world, and they were not exactly civilized either.

This article gives food for thought, but it's not persuasive."

I agree. It is an interesting and cogent article but it goes too far. Like it or not this is, at its base, a religious / cultural war. Cicero's comments are spot on.

[BIGLOOK]

What gets me is all the societies in the Middle East and S Asia have lost their identities to Arab masters. Islam was the ticket for subtle conquest, time sealed the deal. Were these indigenous peoples to retrieve their former legacies and beliefs, they'd be better off. So would we.

[chickenlips]

No suprprise to me in light of Genesis 12:3. I guess Europe should watch out too.

1 Now the Lord said to Abram,
“Go forth from your country,
And from your relatives
And from your father’s house,
To the land which I will show you;
2 And I will make you a great nation,
And I will bless you,
And make your name great;
And so you shall be a blessing;
3 And I will bless those who bless you,
And the one who curses you I will curse.
And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”

New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (Ge 12:1). LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.

[Right Wing Assault]

I would love to get the link you mentioned that list accomplishments of Arab civilization. I went to what I thought was the Arab League, but could't find it.

[hosepipe]

He's wrong... WHY?

Apostasy(leaving Islam) is punishable by death. Mohammed said, "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him." Quran; Surah Vol. 9:57

Islam has a strong murderological base... ACT LIKE YOU BELIEVE IT OR DIE!...

[SAJ]

The Huns and Mongols were militarily very efficient for their respective times. The Huns, particularly, had an extra advantage; the ongoing (for centuries) decay of Rome and Roman culture.

The Arabs, well -- ...

''I want to thank my fellow citizens and the Prime Minister who placed such confidence in me. I just did my duty. Of course, it helps if one can arrange to fight Arabs.'' -- General Moshe Dayan, at his commendation after the Yom Kippur and ''6 Days'' wars.

That about says it all, afaic. The Arabs are pffft; the danger is Islam, particularly Wahabbism. There are NO means of combating radical Islam w/in even a remotely democratic and reasonably tolerant society.

Therefore, and I should suggest right quickly, the West will have to make a decision; expulsion, ostracism if you like, or self-extinction. It will be interesting to see which path the West finally takes.

For the decision WILL be final, whether correct or not.

[GOPJ]

I'm stunned. This man totally understands the ME. Well, with one, IMHO, exception:

Unable to reverse economic and societal ills, and unresponsive to the mass of the Arab population, these rulers instituted polices of strong internal oppression, which further closed off Arab society from the adoption of new ideas and methods.

They use internal oppression, but they also redirect anger of the young toward the West. Young people are told they are poor because of the United States. And that whatever leader is out of favor, becomes the one who's skimming off oil profits. Over the years, my most successful debate with ME friends was to point out that Japan sits on a rock that contains not one drop of oil, not one speck of gold, or for that matter not one of any mineral or substance of value. Nothing, nada, zip. And yet, Japan is an economic powerhouse. And the ME isn't. And then, why? What's the difference? Aside from that small detail, this is the best article I've ever read on the ME. The well thought out, workable long term solutions are elegant. I'm impressed.

Natty Bumppo, do you know anything else about the writer?

[Enchante]

"Only 1.6% of the population has Internet access"

Here's a thought for "threat profiling"..... if a young man, age 15 - 45, from an Arab/Islamic background is Internet-savvy, there's a strong probability he is at least sympathetic with or an actual member of a terrorist group. Does that sound far-fetched?? We know that the jihadists are heavily involved with utilizing website and email for their communications, and it's certainly likely that 1-2% of the Arab/Muslim world is at least heavily sympathetic to and often involved with the jihadists (a much higher % has at least some degree of sympathy).

So, the sets of "Arab/Muslim males who are jihadists" and "Arab/Muslim males who are Internet-proficient" probably overlap VERY strongly.....Agents doing border control, intel work, etc. should look very closely at Arab/Muslim males who are Internet-proficient, and the ACLU can go to H---.

[freedom44]

Hopefully with the collapse of the Iranian dictatorship there will be a revival of Persian civilization.