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Rape threat to our women (more Terror Dome accounts)
Herald Sun (Australia) ^ | 04sep05 | CHRIS TINKLER and DARYL PASSMORE

Posted on 09/04/2005 6:52:12 PM PDT by Lorianne

AUSTRALIAN survivors of Hurricane Katrina told last night of their dramatic escape from New Orleans and the unfolding civil disaster in city.

The group, joyful at fleeing the nightmare of the Louisiana city, lauded one of its members as a hero. Bud Hopes, of Brisbane, was praised for saving dozens of tourists as the supposed safe haven of the city's Superdome became a hellhole.

"I would have to say that Bud is solely responsible for our evacuation," Vanessa Cullington, 22, of Sydney, told the Sunday Herald Sun by mobile phone from a bus carrying 10 Australians to safety in Dallas, Texas.

"I dread to think what would have happened if we hadn't got out. It's so great to be free."

News of the group's escape came as reports said as many as 10,000 people might have been killed by the hurricane and its aftermath, and President George Bush ordered more troops and an increased aid effort for the stricken Gulf of Mexico states.

As the Australians left the Superdome, food and water were almost non-existent and the stiflingly hot arena was filled with 25,000 people and the stench of human waste. Gangs stalked the tourists and women were threatened with rape.

"Bud took control. He was calm and kept it together the whole time," Ms Cullington said.

Mr Hopes, 32, said: "That was the worst place in the universe. Ninety-eight per cent of the people around the world are good. In that place, 98 per cent of the people were bad.

"Everyone brought their drugs, they brought guns, they brought knives. Soldiers were shot.

"It was like a refugee camp within a prison.

"It was full on. It was the worst thing I have seen in my life. I have never been so frightened."

Realising that foreigners were a target, Mr Hopes and the other Aussies gathered tourists from Europe, South America and elsewhere into one part of the building.

"There were 65 of us, so we were able to look after each other -- especially the girls who were being grabbed and threatened." Mr Hopes said.

He said they had organised escorts for the women when they had gone for food or to the toilet, and rosters to keep guard while others slept.

"We sat through the night just watching each other, not knowing if we would be alive in the morning."

John McNeil, 20, of Brisbane, said the worst point had come after two days when soldiers had told them the power in the dome was failing and there was only 10 minutes worth of gas left.

"I looked at Bud and said, 'That will be the end of us'," Mr McNeil said.

"The gangs . . . knew where we were. If the lights had gone out we would have been in deep trouble. We prayed for a miracle and the lights stayed on."

Mr Hopes said the Australians owed their lives to a National Guard Staff Sgt Garland Ogden, who had broken the rules to get the tourists out of the dome, with 60 people being evacuated to a medical centre.

"We did some shifts at the hospital to help nurse the sick to say thank you. It was a real Aussie thing," he said.

As the bus carrying the Australians crossed the Texan border, spirits were high.

"We've had hotdogs and chips and everyone is laughing," Mr Hopes said.

Later, the bus arrived at Dallas Convention Centre, where the Australians were processed.

Family and friends gathered at the Brisbane home of Mr McNeil's parents, Peter and Mary, where they were joined by Mr Hopes's sister, Debbie Browne.

Mrs McNeil broke down when she saw images of her son leaving New Orleans.

"There have been times during this past week when we didn't know if we would see him again," she said.

Mr McNeil said he could see a change in his son.

"They've been traumatised," he said. "I think they've witnessed several atrocities."

The other Australians on the bus were Emma Hardwick, of Sydney; Simon Wood, of Wyalkatchem, WA; Michael Ryan, of Lithgow, NSW; Yasmin Bright, of Newcastle; Michelle and Lisa van Grinsven, of Sydney; and Elise Sims, Tea Tree Gully, Adelaide.

Meanwhile, three Australian couples were safe in Los Angeles, awaiting flights home after being rescued from New Orleans by a Channel 7 news crew.

Tim and Joanne Miller, of Rockhampton, Garry and Cynthia Jones, of Brisbane, and Jack and Gloria Slinger, of Perth, crammed into a four-wheel-drive vehicle with reporter Mike Amor and two colleagues for the early morning dash.

The crew had arranged to pick up two couples from the building where they were holed up and found the Slingers on the streets.

"They were very wary about about coming out of the building. It was a pretty frightening scene -- bodies, shootings, looters," Amor said.

A phone call in the middle of the night gave hope to relatives of Brisbane's Fiona Seidel and her sister-in-law, Katie Maclean.

Mrs Maclean's husband, Andrew, was contacted by a New Orleans police officer who said he had seen the pair get on a bus.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Crime/Corruption; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: hurricaneaussies; katrina; superdome; terrordome
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To: sit-rep

Stifle the racism. It's not my way, it's management. I report, they decide.


121 posted on 09/04/2005 7:46:14 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg.)
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To: SkyPilot
Thank you for your service, Sky Pilot. When you are trying your best in one of the worse situations in our Country's history you try not to take commentary personally. But it has to be almost an impossible task.

As for me, I'm sitting in the Midwest, high and dry. We've opened our wallet and our prayer vigil, but that nothing like being on the front lines.

However, I do believe things are looking better in NO. The Feds are NOT putting up with the gangs.

I pray that the good people of NO find a future that offers them an opportunity to live in a City that isn't ridden with gang and political crime. In American cities that offer them economic, social and educational opportunities for their families.

As for as the criminals of NO, I pray they receive their just punishment.
122 posted on 09/04/2005 7:46:58 PM PDT by not2worry (What goes around comes around!)
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To: Lorianne
Fellow summer camp worker Sarah Yorston, 21, who also rode out the hurricane inside the Superdome, said she witnessed "total chaos and devastation".

"These people have lost everything and they are just desperate people doing desperate things."

Another Briton, Marisa Haigh, said international tourists stranded in the Superdome had stuck together for safety.

"White tourists were getting picked on, we gathered all the British and international survivors," Haigh was reported as saying in Britain's News of the World newspaper.

"I'd heard stories about girls getting raped inside the dome.

Some were told they'd get their legs broken if they didn't get out because the masses were scared there wasn't enough food to go round," Haigh reportedly said.

"A lot of people were homeless drug addicts. Their drugs were confiscated, so lots of them were wandering around in a terrible state."

Other Britons described the atmosphere inside the Superdome as intimidating and told of witnessing violent confrontations.

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Hurricane_Katrina/0,,2-10-1942_1764956,00.html

I think there are enough horror stories being told to know that it was very bad in the Superdome.

123 posted on 09/04/2005 7:47:14 PM PDT by KittyKares
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To: Criminal Number 18F
Blame the mayor, for not following his own mandated hurricane evac plan.


124 posted on 09/04/2005 7:48:20 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Riley

trunk latch!


125 posted on 09/04/2005 7:48:31 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Criminal Number 18F
I dunno about cams, but there's always a lot of cranks here.

Heh heh. Just goes to show, it's better to be pissed off than piston.

126 posted on 09/04/2005 7:50:35 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: cajungirl
trunk latch!

Now you've done it- my feelings are hurt.

127 posted on 09/04/2005 7:51:33 PM PDT by Riley (STOP CASTING POROSITY!!)
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To: Ken H
Heh heh. Just goes to show, it's better to be pissed off than piston.

Grooaaannnn...

128 posted on 09/04/2005 7:52:20 PM PDT by Riley (STOP CASTING POROSITY!!)
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To: SkyPilot
Not the most Christian approach, but he got things moving.

The most Christian approach IS to get things moving. Delicate sensibilities are irrelevant.

When a group of chaplains learned the Patton kept a Bible with him, they asked, "Do you read the Bible?", to which he replied,"Every G-- D--- day!"

129 posted on 09/04/2005 7:52:39 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: Hilltop

whatever


130 posted on 09/04/2005 7:52:44 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Riley; cajungirl; Ken H; SkyPilot; Aznar5; Criminal Number 18F

I think all of you should take a brake.


131 posted on 09/04/2005 7:54:09 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: Lorianne

Too bad the roof of the Terrordome didn't collapse after the foreigners were evacuated. On the other hand, lets spend more on the nation's welfare program in the hope of turning New Orleans' scumbags from a life of thuggery and rape.


132 posted on 09/04/2005 7:54:20 PM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Washington State--Land of Court-approved Voting Fraud.)
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To: HateBill
I read articles like this all last week, and yet I see footage of these same evacuees at the shelter at Baton Rouge and the Astrodome, and there are a lot of children, loving mothers, older women and religious, God-fearing men.

I've been feeling the same disconnect. I think there were lots of rumors flying around in a stressful, scary situation like that, with no outside news. I'm sure they were some bad apples but some of the stories, particularly in the overseas media but also in our own, have been hysterically over the top. "Rapes!! Murders!! Mayhem!!" and then you see all the people being evacuated from the Superdome and they look like women, children, families, elderly...

There was an article yesterday in a British paper along those lines. He was hearing "Mad Max"-style horror stories about the Convention Center and then he went in there (while all the people were still there) and it was nothing like that. Just tired, hungry people waiting for help.

I'm sure there's been some crime but it seems to me some of the media has been broadcasting hysteria and rumor.

133 posted on 09/04/2005 7:55:58 PM PDT by saquin
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To: toldyou
I think all of you should take a brake.

Good idea. We 'radiators' need to take a leak every now and again.

134 posted on 09/04/2005 7:56:21 PM PDT by Riley (STOP CASTING POROSITY!!)
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To: Petronski
I report, they decide

obviously.

I had a whole big ol' text book for you, but I noticed the posts were pulled, and I figured I was banned so I aborted.

Petronski, you tell me then since your playing hall monitor...how does one sit back and theorize this? I don't want to take the blame and say the human race did this! How do you do it with out involving race? I seriously would like to know. How do you do it? How do the "Lofty" ones do it? IOW...when one sits back and evaluates the human race, I'll be damned if I want to be part of this!!

Christ next I'll get my posts pulled on WWII threads for calling the Nazis, Nazis!

135 posted on 09/04/2005 7:57:24 PM PDT by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: Travis McGee

I hope the Dims call for a full Congressional hearing on the hurricane and it's aftermath, but I bet they won't, without a gun put to their heads.


136 posted on 09/04/2005 7:57:59 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: SkyPilot
The people in NO are out, now we will change to recovering the dead, and rebuilding and reconstitution.

Which is what could have happened days ago if the people of NO had evacuated when they were told.

137 posted on 09/04/2005 8:01:14 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ChocChipCookie
>> Actually, the new anti-rape tampon should have been issued to each female entering the SD.

I am not knowing what you are referring to and probably do not need to.

Those females who do not like firearms, in the past, had "hat pins". I have a few that you could kill a dog with. In the 30's they were called "ice picks". The ones I have are pretty, nice bobs on the end and whatnot. One properly placed could ruin your day... or save your life.
138 posted on 09/04/2005 8:01:40 PM PDT by mmercier (raising swords for maidens fair)
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To: Travis McGee

That's the first time I've seen the third picture. There's a special place in the Inferno for Nagin.


139 posted on 09/04/2005 8:03:00 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: Lorianne
"Everyone brought their drugs, they brought guns, they brought knives. Soldiers were shot..."
--And these people are now in Texas? Houston, we have a drug and thug problem. Good luck. I hope your good deeds go unpunished.
140 posted on 09/04/2005 8:03:22 PM PDT by Shqipo (MSM, Libs, race-baiters have found their perfect storm to stir discontent: Katrina.)
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