Posted on 09/04/2005 1:13:53 AM PDT by Former Military Chick
The man in charge of coordinating the military’s hurricane response is a Louisiana native with previous experience in flood disasters who already has received high marks from one state official for his efforts.
Lt. Gen. Russel L. Honoré, the man in charge of U.S. Northern Command’s Joint Task Force Katrina, is a former 2nd Infantry Division commander.
Honoré, from Lakeland, La., led 2nd ID in South Korea from October 2000 until July 2002.
During that time he dealt with monsoon-season flooding on many Area I installations and oversaw flood prevention measures put in place following a disastrous 1998 flood that caused more than $150 million in damage to Area I bases.
Honoré is a man who announces his presence with authority.
In an interview with local WWL radio, New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin was expressing dismay at the lack of federal help for his city, but said of Honoré:
“I give the president some credit on this, he sent one John Wayne dude down here that can get some stuff done, and his name is Gen. Honoré, and he came off the doggone chopper, and he started cussin’ and people started movin’!
“And he’s getting some stuff done,” Nagin said. “They ought to give that guy — if they don’t want to give it to me, give him full authority to get the job done.”
Honoré was commissioned a second lieutenant of infantry in 1971. He also has served as commander, 4th Battalion, 16th Infantry Brigade, 1st Infantry Division, Germany.
"Too bad that he doesn't live in 19th century...so that he could challenge you to a duel. We'd see who the coward really is. Them thar's fightin' words."
Then why is it acceptable for you to say that those that use the lord's name in vain is a coward and a godless fool?
My bad, rog4vmi. I thought farmer was making that comment. Yes, farmer has me up on my soapbox right now.
I am saying that any damned fool who throws words around like "coward" about a man in uniform is a coward who would easily deserve to have been shot in a 19th century duel.
The him that I was referring to is farmer18...or whatever his handle.
As to anyone who uses the Lord's name in vain, I am certain that repentence is possible. It's for Him to forgive...not farmer18 or anyone else
For the record, you have my profound thanks for serving our country, even though--given my opinions about the proper decorum for officers--you probably don't care much about my thanks.
"I made the mistake of believing officers were still gentlemen--men of breeding and honor."
You wouldn't know the meaning of the word "honor" if it bit you on the ass.
"For the record, you have my profound thanks for serving our country, even though--given my opinions about the proper decorum for officers--you probably don't care much about my thanks."
Did I say that I don't appreciate your thanks? No, so don't assume things. Just like you shouldn't assume things about military officers.
By the way, when was the last time you saw an enlisted chaplain? Are they looked down upon by you just because they are officers? Also, you making your comments about military officers is rather close-minded considering you have never served. It's like me bitching about the political system in this country and without having exercised my right to vote.
Finally, if it wasn't for those military officers that you do not care for, then who would be leading the troops onto the battlefield to defend your freedom?
Judging by his picture, he appears to be Caucasian. His reportedly African ancestry is not visible from his appearance.
"Context: hoodlums are brutalizing citizens in New Orleans; women are being raped in the Superdome; Relief helicopters are being shot at by what can only be called animals on the ground.
General Honore starts things off by cussing at his troops, not the animals his troops were brought in to keep in line. That strikes me as singularly cowardly."
So New Orleans is the only place that these horrible crimes are happening?
I would love to see you call him a coward to his face, especially since you are the one that has never served. Yes, I keep saying that, but unless you have an actual idea of what military life is like, and to put your life on the line everyday, you have no room to call him a coward.
SYLLABICATION: cow·ard
PRONUNCIATION: kourd
NOUN: One who shows ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English, from Old French couard, from coue, tail, from Latin cauda.
OTHER FORMS: coward —ADJECTIVE
WORD HISTORY: A coward is one who “turns tail.” The word comes from Old French couart, coart, “coward,” and is related to Italian codardo, “coward.” Couart is formed from coe, a northern French dialectal variant of cue, “tail” (from Latin cda), to which the derogatory suffix –ard was added. This suffix appears in bastard, laggard, and sluggard, to name a few. A coward may also be one with his tail between his legs. In heraldry a lion couard, “cowardly lion,” was depicted with his tail between his legs. So a coward may be one with his tail hidden between his legs or one who turns tail and runs like a rabbit, with his tail showing.
Seems to me that the LTG is not the one running away. He is out there trying to maintain some sort of calm and establish security, while you are miles away calling him a coward for using "such foul language."
Let me get this straight, a three-star General is supposed to have his guys in formation, "um, guys, can you, uh, please try to look like soldiers, and um, er, ah, try to make a difference?" Do you really think that would go over too well? If his superiors had an issue with his language, do you really think that he would be a three-star right now? They would laugh at you for even making this an issue.
Also, need I remind you that this is an all volunteer military? We all know what we are getting into before we raise our right hand, and if we are offended by someone that drops an F bomb, or uses G.D. everyday, then they deal with it. They don't call someone a coward for yelling at them.
"Move out. Kill the bad guys. May God be with us."
Real good one there. [/sarcasm]
I don't consider taking the Lord's name in vain but had I lived in the 19th century I would have considered it a great honor to challenge you to a duel. We'd then see if you had the strength of your convictions.
Overload thy ass not with your mouth.
"I keep forgetting there's more than a few twelve year olds on FR."
And I keep forgetting that there are people on here that are so quick to criticize and judge others when they do not have any experience for what they are talking about, and they've admitted that it is not their place to do so, but yet they continue to do it.
Why won’t you answer my other questions? Are you a “coward”? Oh wait, I forgot, you cannot...you don't have have any experience to speak from to back up your case.
"Look, you're a soldier and that's great, but this is a representative republican government, not a feudal barony. We ALL get to weigh in how our civil servants--soldiers, teachers, or dog keepers--behave. If the freedom you say you're fighting for means disregarding the opinions of citizens, then the founders may have been right when they argued against a standing army. I don't think even General Honore would have as much problem with my critique as you do, and, no, I am not a coward, but I think you are, if you can't stand a free exchange of ideas."
Not only am I soldier, but I am also a human being. Whatever misconception you may have of me, in thinking that I am this "robot", should be re-evaluated. Earlier you stated that you think that not only I am a bad guy for using foul language, but my father who served for over 25 years is a bad guy as well, but later on you stated that it wasn't our place to judge others. Sounds like one of your many contradictions to me.
While I am not saying that you do not have the right to voice your opinion, which you do, all I'm asking for is for you to answer my questions and explain just a little in detail on why you think the General is a coward (other than he yelled at those in which he commmands). If you go back and read the definition, you will see that a coward is one that runs away from issues, not faces them head on.
Bubba - I'm still here, listening to you try to make your point on why you think the General is a coward and to listen to your free exchange of ideas, but you have really only stated the same thing over and over, and not backing it up with anything other than "he yelled at people".
Side note, if you were to come up to me and call me a coward, I would tell you that you literally have three seconds to get out of my face.
It's amazing, you know exactly what a complete stranger to you is thinking, and what their personal views are without even talking to them once. I guess that piece of paper you have on your wall allows you to speak for others. Well hell, if that's the case, I'll be right back....
...OK, I'm back. Sorry about that, I had to go and count the pieces of paper I have on my wall. Let's see, four college degrees and countless number of awards, from both the military and the civilian companies that I have worked for. Guess that makes me ruler of the universe.
Honore 2008!
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