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Disintegration of New Orleans police slowed response: guard commander
AFP ^ | Sep 3, 2005 | Staff

Posted on 09/04/2005 12:45:08 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

The National Guard was slow to move troops into New Orleans because it did not anticipate the collapse of the city's police force after Hurricane Katrina, the guard's commander said.

Lieutenant General Steven Blum said the New Orleans police force was left with only a third of its pre-storm 1,500-person strength.

Some police had families caught up in the disaster, others were unable to make it back to their precincts because of the flooding, and yet others left their posts after deciding the situation had grown too dangerous.

"The real issue, particularly in New Orleans, is that no one anticipated the disintegration or the erosion of the civilian police force in New Orleans," Blum told reporters here.

"Once that assessment was made ... then the requirement became obvious," he said. "And that's when we started flowing military police into the theater."

On Friday, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin angrily denounced the slow federal response as too little, too late, charging that promised troops had not arrived in time.

"Now get off your asses and let's do something and fix the biggest goddamn crisis in the history of this country," the mayor said in remarks aired on CNN.

Blum said that since Thursday some 7,000 National Guard and military police had moved into the city.

But he said any suggestion that the National Guard had not performed well or was late was a "low blow."

The initial priority of the Louisiana and Mississippi National Guard forces was disaster relief, not law enforcement, because they expected the police to handle that, he said.

"We were pulsing forces in in very degraded infrastructure -- airports had reduced capabilities ... in some cases we only had one road in because of lack of bridges, flooding, loss of infrastructure," he said.

"So we couldn't rush to failure on this thing and we had to take a more measured approach on this thing than any of us wanted," he said.

When it became apparent that disorder in New Orleans should be the most immediate priority, the National Guard waited until they had enough forces in hand to make an overwhelming show of force, he said.

On Friday, while President George W. Bush was touring the stricken city, 1,000 military police and National Guard stormed the convention center where street gangs mixed in with thousands of others awaiting rescue had created a volatile situation, Blum said.

"Had we gone in with a lesser force we may have been challenged, innocents may have been caught in a fight between the guard and military police and those who did not want to be processed or apprehended," he said.

Bush, under intense criticism for the slow federal response, on Saturday ordered an additional 7,000 active duty and reserve ground troops to reinforce the National Guard.

That would raise the level of US military forces committed to the relief effort -- active duty as well as national guard and reserves -- to more than 50,000 by the end of next week.

Blum said that on Saturday there were 27,000 national guard troops in Louisiana and Mississippi. That number will grow to about 40,000 within the next week, he said.

There were varying estimates of the number of active duty troops already in the area as part of the relief of operations before Bush's order.

Major General Joseph Inge, deputy commander of the US Northern Command, put the number of active duty forces already on the ground at nearly 5,000 while Blum estimated the active force at 7,000, including sailors aboard navy ships.

The additional troops ordered in from the active force include 2,500 soldiers from the 82nd Airborne Division, 2,700 from the 1st Cavalry Division and 2,000 from the 1st and 2nd Marine Expeditionary Forces.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: grossincompetence; hurricane; incompetence; katrina; katrinafailures; nagin; nopd
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Those 1000 officers should be charged with official misconduct, derelict of duty, possession of illegal and stolen firearms, impersonating a police officers, 2nd degree murder and stripped of all pensions and benefits then imprisoned


141 posted on 09/04/2005 2:15:59 AM PDT by KingNo155
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To: calreaganfan
Ah-ha! So your upset about that.

In that case, NBC did the censoring themselves. And to state the obvious, they are a privately owned company and can do whatever the heck they want. Like not offend fifty percent of the country.

So if you're upset about it you need to take that up with NBC.
142 posted on 09/04/2005 2:16:50 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: nopardons

I know......we may be Stalinists, but we're NOT stupid!


143 posted on 09/04/2005 2:16:51 AM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: calreaganfan

Yes Dumbass


144 posted on 09/04/2005 2:17:00 AM PDT by KingNo155
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To: Howlin

There is nothing better than facts in the face of hysteria. Good job.


145 posted on 09/04/2005 2:18:20 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: calreaganfan
NONE of my titles matched any news article or link.

In fact, your "articles" are made up, only proving what a disengenuous poster you are.

But the fact remains that after the AM told you to use parens, you claimed ignorance of their use on this forum.......and I proved that to NOT be true.

146 posted on 09/04/2005 2:18:26 AM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: calreaganfan

I just love it because you know-it-alls don't ever realize that WE can see what you're posted.


147 posted on 09/04/2005 2:20:40 AM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: calreaganfan
You stated that you "posted many threads about the election." Howlin found and CCPed only two and she said that those were the ONLY ones. Personally, I'll take Howlin's word for it over yours, any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

And if, as you claim, you originated the titles,instead of posting the original ones, then you have been breaking the rules here, but nobody cared enough about your threads to report you.

Which anti-FR site/s do you belong to and why is it a badge of courage/whatever, to instigate getting yourself banned here? Why not just leave......QUIETLY, since you are so unhappy here ?

148 posted on 09/04/2005 2:20:49 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Howlin; yall

149 posted on 09/04/2005 2:21:03 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Howlin

LOL...rightyo ! :-)


150 posted on 09/04/2005 2:22:20 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Those are two of maybe five it posted; the other ones were more posts that used SOS in the URL thingy, whatever that is.

I'd look to make sure, but apparently THE STALINIST MODERATOR KILLED IT!


151 posted on 09/04/2005 2:23:15 AM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Is that popcorn buttered? If so, may I have some, please?


152 posted on 09/04/2005 2:23:58 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Jet Jaguar

153 posted on 09/04/2005 2:24:50 AM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: Howlin
LOL..........finally!

I wonder which anti-FR site the whinger is now off posting to.

154 posted on 09/04/2005 2:25:30 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Howlin
A collective group of people just cannot be this stupid.

Last month we had Cindy Sheehan; today we have Katrina's aftermath.Are these people stupid? No Are they conniving (to the point of sacrificing constituents), yes!

155 posted on 09/04/2005 2:26:14 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but recently have come to my senses.)
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To: Howlin

I figured you'd just do a little spanking - not open a can of whoopass.


156 posted on 09/04/2005 2:26:18 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Howlin

Gone!


157 posted on 09/04/2005 2:26:40 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: nopardons

Absolutely!


158 posted on 09/04/2005 2:27:32 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Truthsayer20
There was a story on CNN that one policeman in uniform walked into the convention center mess, walked up to one individual in the crowd, shot him in the head, and then left.

This sounds like the first page of a Ludlum novel.

Anybody know more about that incident?

It sounds like the police lost command and control.
159 posted on 09/04/2005 2:27:50 AM PDT by cgbg (A cigar a day keeps secular Puritans away.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Thanks! :-)


160 posted on 09/04/2005 2:29:21 AM PDT by nopardons
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