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Who’s Responsible For New Orleans?
www.dcthornton.com ^ | September 2, 2005 | dcthornton

Posted on 09/03/2005 9:02:07 PM PDT by wildwood

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To: wildwood
1. The mayor, with 5 days advance, waited until 2 days before he announced a mandatory evacuation (at the behest of the President).

Just out of curiosity can you point to a single instance where a mayor or governor called for a mandatory evacuation 5 days before a storm hit?

101 posted on 09/04/2005 4:58:52 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
well, if you read the whole thread, it is quite informative. plain talk posted this, from Mayor Nagin's website, the day before the storm hit. note that at this point it is still voluntary.

the only reason as many people evac'ed as they did was because BUSH called for mandatory evac:

This was Saturday, Aug 27:

"“Although the track could change, forecasters believe Hurricane Katrina will affect New Orleans,” said Mayor Nagin. “We may call for a voluntary evacuation later this afternoon or tomorrow morning to coincide with the instatement of contraflow. This will give people more options to leave the area. However, citizens need to begin preparing now so they will be ready to leave when necessary.

102 posted on 09/04/2005 5:04:54 AM PDT by wildwood
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To: Peach; Miss Marple; backhoe
Shortly before midnight Friday, the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans, a source within the state's emergency operations center said Saturday.

The administration sought unified control over all local police and state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana officials rejected the request after talks throughout the night, concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301680.html

MM, backhoe, have you seen this? And thanks for the link, Peach.

103 posted on 09/04/2005 5:14:59 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla
MM, backhoe, have you seen this?

Yes, but thanks for calling it to my attention- there's so much information flowing that I do miss things.

104 posted on 09/04/2005 5:16:53 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe

You're welcome. Blanco just wrote her own political obituary.


105 posted on 09/04/2005 5:18:38 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

What I can't get a handle on is whether the Friday referenced is August 26 or September 2.

Later in the article there is mention that New Orleans officials didn't want to federalize this because if it went wrong, they (New Orleans) would be blamed.

#1. That statement is nonsens of course because if the evacuation was federalized and it went wrong, it would be the feds who were blamed.

#2. It seems to me that if the article is referencing Friday as in September 2nd, it's a little late for NO officials to worry about blame post hurricane. NO officials are already going to be blamed because it went so badly so why not turn it over to the feds.

#3. If the article was referencing Friday the 26 of August, before the hurricane, I can see NO officials worrying they would take blame for something.

Although why they didn't try to pass that blame off to the federal government is a mystery.

What's your take on which Friday they were referring to, mewzilla?


106 posted on 09/04/2005 5:22:22 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Peach
Boy, now that you mention it, I'm not sure, though waiting till this past Friday makes no sense. But then again, what about this does? Either way, it's pretty bad for Blanco. If it's the Friday before landfall and she refuses what's really a federal freebie, she's toast. And if it's the Friday after landfall of the most destructive natural disaster ever to strike the US, she's still toast.

I'd like to know the answer to this, though. Someone should ask the WH.

And if it was the Friday before landfall, then Congress should do something that would allow the POTUS to shove the response down a governor's throat, just in case a state's populace choose to elect a freaking incompetent.

107 posted on 09/04/2005 5:28:21 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

I think we should e-mail the reporter for this story.

And then send it to Brit Hume and people who we think can get the answer.


108 posted on 09/04/2005 5:30:59 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Peach

Good idea! And Rush Limbaugh, too.


109 posted on 09/04/2005 5:45:54 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

I've been looking at all the places within this article to find HOW to e-mail the reporters involved in writing it, and darned if I can find it.


110 posted on 09/04/2005 5:46:52 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: wildwood
According to some news sources, the Governor of Louisiana, who knew the levees were weak, who knew that the city had been slowly sinking, and who knew that a major # 5 hurricane was approaching her city, did not call Washington for help.

She filed a request with FEMA for disaster assistance on 8/28.

111 posted on 09/04/2005 6:57:12 AM PDT by va4me ("Government isn't the solution to the problem, it is the problem" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Fog Nozzle

I for one am glad you posted this. AND we got a disrupter banned too!


112 posted on 09/04/2005 7:11:25 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with really stupid enemies.)
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To: dts32041
Actually during the tsunami there were certain places the choppers and rescuers were ordered not to go cause of the islamic terrorists.

Yeah, I suppose you are right, the rescuers should've assumed rescuing people in New Oreans, Lousiana, in the US, would be just like rescuers wandering into Al Qaeda strongholds in Asia.

Still, the level of evil never rose to similar levels during the tsunami and 9/11 rescues.

The state of the welfare state

113 posted on 09/04/2005 7:13:17 AM PDT by Nephi (Global warming is a political strategy.)
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To: va4me
yeah, she's really on top of things. this is what she just did THURSDAY:

Press Release

Date: 9/1/2005

Contact:Denise Bottcher or Roderick Hawkins at 225-342-9037

Governor Blanco Announces Executive Order

Baton Rouge, LA— Governor Blanco today announced the following Executive Order:

Executive Order NO. KBB 2005- 31- provides that pursuant to the Louisiana Homeland Security and Emergency Assistance and Disaster Act, R.S. 29:721, et seq., grants emergency powers to the governor, where, she has in consultation with school superintendents, utilized public school buses for transportation of Hurricane Katrina evacuees. As you are aware most public school districts will not begin school until Tuesday, September 6th 2005.

The full text of the above mentioned proclamation is available on the Internet at www.gov.state.la.us.

114 posted on 09/04/2005 8:01:37 AM PDT by wildwood
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To: wildwood

The citizens who live there are responsible.

Citizens of every city, town and rural community need to set up civil defense corps with shelters and supplies at the ready in every community. No waiting for corrupt and bloated governmental agencies then to "help". Forget FEMA, Jimmy Carters bloated bureaucracy that was designed to do away with self reliance and civic responsibility through civil defense.

Citizens need to remove every politician and bureaucrat implementing "smart growth". "Smart growth" creates very dense cities and developments where people are discouraged or not allowed to have private transportation.

Note that New Orleans evacuation plan stated that private transportation should be used to evacuate people, knowing that there are politically created "smart growth" areas where the people have no private transportation. The concept of controlling people through "smart growth" is criminal beyond belief and has no place in a free society.


115 posted on 09/04/2005 8:08:45 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: wildwood

If I lived ten feet below sea level and was a politician from sin city LA my boy scout training would have prepared me for an emergency. A volunteer peace keeping force should have always been in the ready in case of levy break. Just like on a boat there should have been access to inflatable rafts, hard tack, water and radios. Emergency towers with generators and lights would be another. BE PREPARED is a motto of survivors. Sin city New Orleans was not prepared. That ain't no ones fault but LA politicians.


116 posted on 09/04/2005 8:10:06 AM PDT by jetson (throne)
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To: wildwood
yeah, she's really on top of things. this is what she just did THURSDAY:

As I've said repeatedly, government across the board made gross errors in its response to this storm. There are numerous accounts of FEMA scew-ups as well, such as refusing a fleet of emergency vehicles from Florida because they wanted GSA to approve it, being unable to accept aid from Chicago, and forcing a search-and-rescue group from Virginia to return home because they couldn't authorize their participation in the rescue efforts.

Read my tag line.

117 posted on 09/04/2005 8:11:54 AM PDT by va4me ("Government isn't the solution to the problem, it is the problem" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Citizens of every city, town and rural community need to set up civil defense corps with shelters and supplies at the ready in every community. No waiting for corrupt and bloated governmental agencies then to "help". Forget FEMA, Jimmy Carters bloated bureaucracy that was designed to do away with self reliance and civic responsibility through civil defense.

Bravo, you nailed it.

Citizens must expect that government will screw things up, and they must be prepared to be self sufficient.

In the end it isn't government's fault that people in New Orleans died, it is the fault of those who relied on government to protect them.

118 posted on 09/04/2005 8:13:56 AM PDT by va4me ("Government isn't the solution to the problem, it is the problem" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Peach
What I can't get a handle on is whether the Friday referenced is August 26 or September 2.

September 2nd.

119 posted on 09/04/2005 8:16:31 AM PDT by va4me ("Government isn't the solution to the problem, it is the problem" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: va4me
FYI

Survival Preparedness
120 posted on 09/04/2005 9:42:33 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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