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Shell's ingenious approach to oil shale is pretty slick
Rocky Mountain News ^ | 9/3/05 | Linda Seebach

Posted on 09/03/2005 6:46:32 AM PDT by narby

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To: Ditto

Thanks for the update/correction.

Can you tell me if France or the Japanese have had their own versions of TMI?

And, since you seem to be a student of the technology, do you also see an uptick in nukes here?

Thanks


141 posted on 09/12/2005 10:28:20 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Dick Bachert
Can you tell me if France or the Japanese have had their own versions of TMI?

France, no, but the Japanese had far worse a few years ago, not at a power reactor, but at a reprocessing facility where lax procedures caused an excursion, killed at least one worker as I recall, and caused some very bad localized contamination. The French came close only once to my knowledge when they had a rupture from some head penatrations. No injuries or such but the plant was down for an extended period as I recall.

BTW. TMI is the only "disaster" in history were no one was killed and no one was injured.

142 posted on 09/12/2005 10:56:45 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Dick Bachert
And, since you seem to be a student of the technology, do you also see an uptick in nukes here?

A number of utilities and OEMs have banded into consortiums and issued "letters" to the NRC saying they intend to build new plants at existing sites but with no firm dates or schedules. Honestly, I don't see it happening here in the near term unless natural gas prices go through the roof and stay there or CO2 reductions get severe. China is the near term prospect for US reactor suppliers.

143 posted on 09/12/2005 11:08:05 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Ditto

More people died in Ted Kennedy's back seat than died at TMI.

But, of course, the One-Worlders and their hand-wringing handmaidens in the establishment media have an interest in bringing the U.S. down closer to the Third World to make the "merger" a bit easier.

An energy self-sufficient United States is NOT on their agenda/


144 posted on 09/12/2005 4:33:05 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: CondorFlight

"What is really needed is for the government to ask for bids on a million barrels of shale oil, promising to buy from the lowest bidder. That will help industry get started producing the stuff big-time."

Isn't the current price of oil incentive enough?


145 posted on 09/12/2005 4:44:36 PM PDT by Crispy
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To: Cyber Liberty

"I don't see anywhere in the article how much energy it takes to heat/cool such large formations. That will really detract from the economic attraction of this process."

The article says 3 or 3.5 more energy output than energy input.


146 posted on 09/12/2005 4:46:12 PM PDT by Crispy
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To: Dick Bachert
But, of course, the One-Worlders and their hand-wringing handmaidens in the establishment media have an interest in bringing the U.S. down closer to the Third World to make the "merger" a bit easier.

Except for a few spots of course. Upper West Side. Beacon Hill. Aspin. Martha's Vinyard.

They get to keep their stuff, but us tradesmen and wage earners have way too much stuff, in their opinion. Fact is, they don't give a rat's ass about the poor. The poor are easy to control. It's the broad middle class that is the threat to their "lifestyles"

147 posted on 09/13/2005 5:00:15 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: newgeezer
Trillion barrels of oil, ping.

Save the SUV's!

148 posted on 09/13/2005 5:06:07 AM PDT by biblewonk (Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots?)
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To: narby

I'll have to read this later.


149 posted on 09/13/2005 5:12:11 AM PDT by kx9088
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To: biblewonk

He said wind is "unreliable" ;O).


150 posted on 09/13/2005 5:58:41 AM PDT by newgeezer (A conservative who conserves -- a REAL capitalist!)
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To: newgeezer
He said wind is "unreliable" ;O).

He doesn't realize that demand is also unreliable and the net effect/affect is the same.

151 posted on 09/13/2005 6:00:32 AM PDT by biblewonk (Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots?)
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To: Crispy
Yeah, I missed that at first read. Doh! (slaps self on head)

It'll still never happen. Greenies will stop it.

152 posted on 09/13/2005 7:49:11 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (© 2005, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: Ditto

Amen, Ditto, AMEN!!!


153 posted on 09/13/2005 8:13:09 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: narby
Excepting Africa. They don't have the culture to pull themselves up by the boot straps, and will mire around in squalor like New Orleans, until someone decides it's ok to re-colonize again. Perhaps after a couple more centuries of African colonialization it will be able to maintain a first world economy the way South Africa did until the left destroyed apartheid. So you are in support of countries giving up their sovereignty. Gee, where did we hear of that idea before? Oh, I forgot, DURING THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR!

South Africa is not in squalor because Apartheid fell apart, it's becase because Apartheid told the blacks that they weren't worth anything, and when the inevitable happened, there was a generation of lost South Africans that were ignorant about economics.

The best thing to do to Africa right now would be to just let Africa alone and let them figure out economics sooner or later.

154 posted on 09/13/2005 8:14:00 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: TypeZoNegative

Freedom for me but not for thee.


155 posted on 09/13/2005 8:19:44 AM PDT by cyborg (I'm having the best day ever.)
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To: narby

Profitable at price of $30 a BBL... there you, Middle East in terms of oil need for the US just became obsolete....


156 posted on 09/13/2005 8:23:51 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: narby

bump


157 posted on 09/13/2005 8:31:43 AM PDT by chuknospam
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To: HamiltonJay

All worth Jack Schytt if we don't get any refineries.


158 posted on 09/13/2005 8:37:59 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: TypeZoNegative

Bush already signed approval for a new refinery as part of the energy bill.. yes we need more, but reality is the era of Greenies stranglholding energy is over.

We buy about 10% of our refined products from other nations.. which means if we aren't depending on foreign crude, and simply refined product, we can get that from other nations that won't need middle east oil either...


The Shale reserves are larger than ALL the oil reserves in the middle east combined if memory serves. America domestically will never need to depend on off continent crude or refined product again if the leaders properly handle this situation.

The middle east can go to provide India and China, until its depleated, and let them deal with the hornets nest over there in the next 100 years... and trust me, they won't be so generous socially or fiscally as the US has been to that area for the last 100 years.


159 posted on 09/13/2005 8:42:19 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Cyber Liberty

" It'll still never happen. Greenies will stop it."

I am afraid you are probably right.


160 posted on 09/16/2005 7:38:24 PM PDT by Crispy
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