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Governor: Tax Hike Possible if Prop. 76 Fails (Schwarzenegger)
Los Angeles Times ^ | September 2, 2005 | Peter Nicholas

Posted on 09/02/2005 2:59:40 PM PDT by calcowgirl

SACRAMENTO -- Facing widespread opposition to his special election, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said Friday that if voters reject a proposed spending restraint on the November ballot, he might be forced to raise taxes.

Schwarzenegger previewed a campaign theme in a morning radio interview, predicting that new taxes might be the only alternative if voters reject Proposition 76, the "Live Within Our Means" act.

Asked on Sacramento station KTKZ-1380 AM what he might do to avert future budget deficits if the spending control is defeated, Schwarzenegger said:

"Then we have to look at raising taxes, because this is the only option we have, in order to create the money. And this is why I tell people vote yes on Proposition 76 and make sure that we do everything that we can to pass this proposition so that we force our legislators once and for all to live within their means and not to continue spending money and to keep making promises to people that they can't keep."

Schwarzenegger's comments came amid a new statewide poll showing little appetite for the Nov. 8 special election that he depicts as central to his "year of reform" agenda.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: ca05specialelection; careformagenda; kalifornia; mcclintock; prop76; schwarzenegger; taxes
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To: calcowgirl

"I said: "IMO, if Arnold starts governing like the fiscal conservative he campaigned as, he will get support."

Oh, got you, we go down through Cary's laundry list, and all of the ones that don't concern fiscal policy won't matter.


BTW- does your comment about blowing up clinics mean that you DO believe that there are fanatical conservatives ?


BTW2-My tagline is a homage to one that many consider a great conservative ... ( but I suppose he's not fanatical about it )


141 posted on 09/06/2005 2:07:41 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling. ")
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To: All

Damn this buzzing is getting louder - have to pick up a can of Raid...


142 posted on 09/06/2005 2:11:33 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling. ")
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To: RS
BTW- does your comment about blowing up clinics ...

There it is again--that lack of reading comprehension.

I made no comment about clinics--You did!

143 posted on 09/06/2005 2:14:28 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

I told you guys to vote for Tom...and few listened....

Reap what you sow...Arnie is Rhino piece of crap...always has been, always will be...

California will be soon bankrupt if they raise taxes again...


144 posted on 09/06/2005 2:18:58 PM PDT by antaresequity
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To: RS; Carry_Okie

>>Oh, got you, we go down through Cary's laundry list, and all of the ones that don't concern fiscal policy won't matter.

Most all on the list deal with fiscal issues or have fiscal implications. To me, TAXPAYER FUNDING of stem-cell research, that Arnold endorsed, is a FISCAL issue. But seeing your tactics, you would probably like to paint anyone who opposed it as a terrorist blowing up abortion clinics.

Carry_Okie's list:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1474325/posts?page=107#107


145 posted on 09/06/2005 2:20:03 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
"I made no comment about clinics--You did!"

"Are you now suggesting that those who oppose Arnold's leftist fiscal actions are the same as those blowing up abortion clinics?"

So let's see, if you don't agree that there ARE in fact "fanatical conservatives", then it is YOU who are lumping conservatives and fanatical conservatives, those who would blow up abortion clinics, under the same flag.

If we can't even agree that "fanatical conservatives" and/or " right wing crazies" even exist, then YOU have accepted them under the blanket of conservatism.

I will not do that.
146 posted on 09/06/2005 2:26:21 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling. ")
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To: RS
"Damn this buzzing is getting louder"

It's the truth going off in you're head while you're arguing against it!!! Truth or consequences, buzz-head!!!

147 posted on 09/06/2005 2:31:47 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: All

Good... it's starting to fade away... leaves room for intelligent conversation ...


148 posted on 09/06/2005 2:36:47 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling. ")
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To: RS

What a bunch of convoluted BS!


149 posted on 09/06/2005 2:39:27 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl; RS
I just got off the line to the guy who put together ArnoldWatch.org. He informs me that his data comes directly from the Secretary of State's office.

So, RS, you are now free to cross check the numbers in the table.

150 posted on 09/06/2005 2:41:31 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: RS

>>If we can't even agree that "fanatical conservatives" and/or " right wing crazies" even exist, then YOU have accepted them under the blanket of conservatism.

Arnold called those supporting the racial privacy act, Prop 54, "Right Wing Crazies". Do you think those the are "fanatical conservatives", also?


151 posted on 09/06/2005 2:42:56 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

"To me, TAXPAYER FUNDING of stem-cell research, that Arnold endorsed, is a FISCAL issue."

Y'know, I'm not too happy about that one either, for the same reason ( goes against some of my libertarian tendancies )
... the only way to rationalize it is that medical research is a clean, brain-power intensive industry, the kind of thing that we need more of in CA.

If we don't grab onto it when it is in it's infancy, we won't get a second chance. It could very well spark the next Silicon Valley, and we don't want it to be in Calcutta.

He's a good businessman, and knows you sometimes have to prime the pump.


152 posted on 09/06/2005 2:55:35 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling. ")
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To: Carry_Okie

"...his data comes directly from the Secretary of State's office."

"So, RS, you are now free to cross check the numbers in the table."

Somehow I doubt that the SS office has a catagory of donation called "special interest".

You didn't read the rest of two of my posts where I mentioned it appears that ANY contributions whatsoever is tossed into "special intrest" buckets ?

If you go along with what appears to be their way of adding up the figures EVERY dime that EVERY politician takes in is "special interests" money.

( I wonder if they included HIS OWN personal contributions, or from companies he controls, to the funds as "special interest" money ? )


153 posted on 09/06/2005 3:05:04 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling. ")
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To: RS
Somehow I doubt that the SS office has a catagory of donation called "special interest".

Any money is special interest money if it is sufficient in magnitude to get access to a politician. As Arnold himself says, nobody donates that kind of money without expectations of said access. In a top 100 donors list they would all qualify. All ArnoldWatch does is categorize them and add them up to make the graph.

Strike one "logician."

You didn't read the rest of two of my posts where I mentioned it appears that ANY contributions whatsoever is tossed into "special intrest" buckets ?

Strike two. Apparently you don't believe business donations constitute special interests. There Arnold would agree with you, stating after the fact that "special interests" are prison guards and Indian tribes, one of his more dishonest dodges on the record.

( I wonder if they included HIS OWN personal contributions, or from companies he controls, to the funds as "special interest" money ? )

In Arnold's case it would be, as he refused to divest himself into a blind trust prior to running for office.

154 posted on 09/06/2005 3:24:51 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

BTW - the tables don't add up to the top figure that they have as the total of Special Interest Contributions.


155 posted on 09/06/2005 3:26:01 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling. ")
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To: RS
BTW - the tables don't add up to the top figure that they have as the total of Special Interest Contributions.

Well duh, the top figure says it is total contributions, not the total on the graph, but we already know about your reading skills.

156 posted on 09/06/2005 3:33:53 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: RS; calcowgirl
"Dosen't anyone recall his campaign statements to the effect that if he can't get results through the legislature that he will go the proposition route?

Isn't that what he is doing?"

RS, I really don't think so. The entire approach on the propositions seems to me to be weak and disorganized. And what about "blowing up the boxes"? He has done nothing of which I am aware to streamline state government, eliminate unnecessary departments, cut the state payroll or eliminate all of those commissions, boards and committees that do nothing but consume scarce resources and obstruct progress in the finest tradition of bureaucrats everywhere.

See the posts of calcowgirl for a much more comprehensive analysis of Arnold's problems. Her comments are right on target.

I had high hopes for Arnold, I really did. If he ever decides to get serious, really serious and not with just a few weak initiatives here and there for appearances, then I would be willing to support him. Sad to say, I just don't see that happening.

I'm afraid Arnold is simply not the kind of Governor he promised us he would be.

157 posted on 09/06/2005 3:34:12 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Carry_Okie; RS
"but we already know about your reading skills."

It's his juvenile arguing skills that are causing me to roll on the floor in fits of laughter!!!

I'd be willing to bet this guy could filibuster his inane arguing into a marathon that would make a Senate Demonicrat blush!!!

Oh! I forgot!! He's a Liberaltarian!!!

158 posted on 09/06/2005 4:04:40 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: Czar
"Sad to say, I just don't see that happening."

I can kinda understand how you must feel. I know how absolutely proud I was of Ronald Reagan when he was first elected Governor and I'm certain I'd have been seriously disallussioned had he turned out to be as shallow and disappointing as A.S. has turned out to be.

159 posted on 09/06/2005 4:15:06 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: RS
...goes against some of my libertarian tendancies
...sometimes have to prime the pump

Well there is more oxymoron logic.

Do you also agree with Arnold that raising taxes is the only way to "create the money?"

160 posted on 09/06/2005 5:06:55 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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