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Rebuilding New Orleans doesn't make sense
New Orleans Times-Picayune ^ | 9/1/05 | Bill Walsh

Posted on 09/01/2005 3:41:16 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember

House Speaker Dennis Hastert dropped a bombshell on flood-ravaged New Orleans on Thursday by suggesting that it isn’t sensible to rebuild the city. "It doesn't make sense to me," Hastert told the Daily Herald in suburban Chicago in editions published today. "And it's a question that certainly we should ask." Hastert's comments came as Congress cut short its summer recess and raced back to Washington to take up an emergency aid package expected to be $10 billion or more.

Hastert said that he supports an emergency bailout, but raised questions about a long-term rebuilding effort. As the most powerful voice in the Republican-controlled House, Hastert is in a position to block any legislation that he opposes. "We help replace, we help relieve disaster," Hastert said. "But I think federal insurance and everything that goes along with it... we ought to take a second look at that."

Rebuilding the city, which is more than 80 percent submerged, could cost tens of billions of dollars more, experts projected. Hastert questioned the wisdom of rebuilding a city below sea level that will continue to be in the path of powerful hurricanes. "You know we build Los Angeles and San Francisco on top of earthquake issures and they rebuild, too. Stubbornness," he said. Hastert wasn't the only one questioning the rebuilding of New Orleans. The Waterbury, Conn., Republican-American newspaper wrote an editorial Wednesday entitled, "Is New Orleans worth reclaiming?" "Americans' hearts go out to the people in Katrina's path," it said. "But if the people of New Orleans and other low-lying areas insist on living in harm's way, they ought to accept responsibility for what happens to them and their property."

(Excerpt) Read more at nola.com ...


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To: FormerACLUmember
The only proper approach is to treat it as a private property issue. let the property owners (which may essentially be insurance companies) decide what to do, and what to invest to enhance the value of their soggy holdings.

If that is the approach, we won't spend $100 billion of OPM (ours) to make $10 billion in property livable.

If the folks that own the big hotels and other expensive infrastructure want to get together, and pay for an improved levee to make their assets valuable again, fine. And let the government underwrite the loans if needed.

If the insurance cost of treating this as a total loss (plus temporary aid for the uninsured) is less than the cost to rebuild, then it would be foolish to rebuild.

And this can break down by types of property, If the tourist hotel district generates a billion a year in revenue, then billions to protect that might make sense, unlike spending hundreds of thousands per household to protect and rebuild homes that are worth only $100,000.
42 posted on 09/01/2005 4:13:03 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Trout-Mouth
I agree the parts of the city which are below sea level should not be rebuilt. Why are we forced into some sort of collective where we are ripped off to reconstruct stupidity.Compassion cannot always trump reality.It appears part of the city is on high ground the rest should relocate to adjacent towns which as we know can probably be annexed into a metro area called "New" Orleans. Hastert is honest and not the typical pandering phoney.
43 posted on 09/01/2005 4:14:29 PM PDT by wilmington2
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To: weegee
A difficult decision to "walk away" but some places are not inhabitable...

Somebody sent me an article, I can dig it up and post it in this thread if you want, about New Orleans and its hurricane problems.

The gist of it is, on average Category 4 or Category 5 hurricanes make landfall within 100 miles of New Orleans every 35 years, as well as other smaller or more distant hurricanes that cause serious damage.

Before anybody jumps down my throat about the 35 year thing and the smaller/more distant hurricanes:

Yes, I know, there was the Hurricane of 1948, Hurricane Betsy in 1965, Hurricane Camille in 1969, Hurricane Georges in 1998 (I count Georges because it sent floodwaters into New Orleans from the lake), and Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

That's a lot more common than every 35 years, but I think the average is figured over centuries. The last 100 years have just beat the heck out of New Orleans.

My view, and I said this several days ago, New Orleans should not be rebuilt.

It's not worth the financial risk, but most important, it's not worth the human cost. I don't give a damn what anybody says, 100s or 1000s of future lives should not be wasted simply because somebody is stubborn, or some politician wants to win the next election.
44 posted on 09/01/2005 4:14:44 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: weegee
California is not the problem, it is Missouri and its surrounding states, they have not built with earthquakes in mind.
45 posted on 09/01/2005 4:16:23 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: aimhigh

That's using your head. Work with nature, not against her. Make lemonade out of lemons.

I was in Venice last summer. It is way too crowded in the summer. I won't make that mistake again.


46 posted on 09/01/2005 4:16:25 PM PDT by Archidamus (We are wise because we are not so highly educated as to look down on our laws and customs)
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To: All

Check this out for some iteresting posts re: Hastert (scroll down) and for some minute by minute hurricane recovery info:
http://lifegoesoff.blogspot.com/


47 posted on 09/01/2005 4:19:22 PM PDT by jetbanana
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To: FormerACLUmember

I agree with you. Rebuild the old tourist center with a few hotels and leave the rest in the lake.


48 posted on 09/01/2005 4:21:55 PM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: FormerACLUmember
House Speaker Dennis Hastert dropped a bombshell on flood-ravaged New Orleans on Thursday by suggesting that it isn’t sensible to rebuild the city.

He is so very right. It is totally stupid to rebuild a city that is below sea level.

49 posted on 09/01/2005 4:23:30 PM PDT by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: af_vet_rr

Check out this 2004 amazing prediction of New Orleans after a hurricane by National Geographic!


It was a broiling August afternoon in New Orleans, Louisiana, the Big Easy, the City That Care Forgot. Those who ventured outside moved as if they were swimming in tupelo honey. Those inside paid silent homage to the man who invented air-conditioning as they watched TV "storm teams" warn of a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico. Nothing surprising there: Hurricanes in August are as much a part of life in this town as hangovers on Ash Wednesday.

But the next day the storm gathered steam and drew a bead on the city. As the whirling maelstrom approached the coast, more than a million people evacuated to higher ground. Some 200,000 remained, however—the car-less, the homeless, the aged and infirm, and those die-hard New Orleanians who look for any excuse to throw a party.

The storm hit Breton Sound with the fury of a nuclear warhead, pushing a deadly storm surge into Lake Pontchartrain. The water crept to the top of the massive berm that holds back the lake and then spilled over. Nearly 80 percent of New Orleans lies below sea level—more than eight feet below in places—so the water poured in. A liquid brown wall washed over the brick ranch homes of Gentilly, over the clapboard houses of the Ninth Ward, over the white-columned porches of the Garden District, until it raced through the bars and strip joints on Bourbon Street like the pale rider of the Apocalypse. As it reached 25 feet (eight meters) over parts of the city, people climbed onto roofs to escape it.

Thousands drowned in the murky brew that was soon contaminated by sewage and industrial waste. Thousands more who survived the flood later perished from dehydration and disease as they waited to be rescued. It took two months to pump the city dry, and by then the Big Easy was buried under a blanket of putrid sediment, a million people were homeless, and 50,000 were dead. It was the worst natural disaster in the history of the United States.

When did this calamity happen? It hasn't—yet. But the doomsday scenario is not far-fetched. The Federal Emergency Management Agency lists a hurricane strike on New Orleans as one of the most dire threats to the nation, up there with a large earthquake in California or a terrorist attack on New York City. Even the Red Cross no longer opens hurricane shelters in the city, claiming the risk to its workers is too great.

"The killer for Louisiana is a Category Three storm at 72 hours before landfall that becomes a Category Four at 48 hours and a Category Five at 24 hours—coming from the worst direction," says Joe Suhayda, a retired coastal engineer at Louisiana State University who has spent 30 years studying the coast. Suhayda is sitting in a lakefront restaurant on an actual August afternoon sipping lemonade and talking about the chinks in the city's hurricane armor. "I don't think people realize how precarious we are,"
Suhayda says, watching sailboats glide by. "Our technology is great when it works. But when it fails, it's going to make things much worse."

The chances of such a storm hitting New Orleans in any given year are slight, but the danger is growing. Climatologists predict that powerful storms may occur more frequently this century, while rising sea level from global warming is putting low-lying coasts at greater risk. "It's not if it will happen," says University of New Orleans geologist Shea Penland. "It's when."

http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0410/feature5/



50 posted on 09/01/2005 4:24:16 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: FormerACLUmember

NO should henceforth be an industrial zone only. The refineries and the shipping industries need to stay there but they can be protected. The city should not be rebuilt.


51 posted on 09/01/2005 4:25:17 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: livius
Question: what shall we name it? "New New Orleans" doesn't work very well...

Orleans3?

52 posted on 09/01/2005 4:25:55 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Conservative Firster

Get the Dutch to consult on the project, they are experts at reclaiming land.


53 posted on 09/01/2005 4:26:13 PM PDT by agincourt1415 (4 More Years of NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN!)
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To: Blzbba

Exactly...I recall the same discussions then.


54 posted on 09/01/2005 4:27:38 PM PDT by flixxx
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To: FormerACLUmember
Remember, less than one year ago 2 hurricanes (Francis and Ivan) hit the same part of Florida in less than 30 days. Hurricanes can and will happen in NO again.
55 posted on 09/01/2005 4:28:04 PM PDT by Oystir
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To: TheBattman
Who's going to catch the flak when "the big one" (earthquake) finally hits California and catches millions without insurance?

If it happens in the next couple of years, the blame will probably be aimed at Bush - if current talk is any indicator.

Sure. Haven't you heard? New studies show that earthquakes are caused by global warming and everyone knows that's Bush's fault.

56 posted on 09/01/2005 4:28:53 PM PDT by twhitak
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To: muawiyah

Houseboats?


57 posted on 09/01/2005 4:28:55 PM PDT by Liberty Wins (Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

I don't see how they can re-build it. The ground will be a toxic sespool for years and all the building in the water will have to be burned or destroyed due to contamination.


58 posted on 09/01/2005 4:29:28 PM PDT by Pylon
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To: Pylon

As long as they aren't eating the dirt, won't make much difference.


59 posted on 09/01/2005 4:34:40 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: FormerACLUmember

I'll tell you this...if a single penny of taxpayer dollars are to go towards rebuilding New Orleans, taxpayers should first demand that those verminous mobs of inhabitants we see on TV be removed from the city and never permitted to return. Perhaps we can airlift them into Gaza City, where they would fit in perfectly .


60 posted on 09/01/2005 4:36:11 PM PDT by montag813
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