Posted on 09/01/2005 9:17:46 AM PDT by bayourod
Monte Lake, a labor and immigration lawyer in Washington D.C., called on farmers in the audience to quickly become familiar on the plethora of immigration proposals swirling in Congress thanks to a fiery debate on the issue playing out in the media.
...Lake said efforts to deport existing illegal aliens immediately would be the “death penalty” for the agriculture sector and also have a ripple effect on the rest of the nation’s economy.
“The economic study shows that for every field worker you have, you create four to 10 other jobs. These exist because of these people and all of these industries would otherwise suffer significantly.”...
“Between 10 to 12 million people are now working in this country illegally. We can ignore it or tackle it,” he said. “But if we eliminate the immigrant workers, who is going to pay for our Social Security? Who will do the work? Who will pay the taxes?”
Lake suggested that one ag-promoted proposal being channeled through Congress could be a solution. It’s one that loosely follows a similar guest worker program held during World War II, one that conditionally permitted Mexican workers while Americans fought overseas.
“We have spent billions on the border, yet illegal immigration has increased. It’s not working. Right or wrong this is happening and the way to control it is to have a legal means for them to come and go back,” he said.
Lake said a solution will take time to install a revolving, legal means for immigrants to come to the United States for seasonal work and return home. It will also necessitate capital investments in housing infrastructure for them.
(Excerpt) Read more at southwestfarmpress.com ...
There simply are not enough American citizens willing to do field labor at any price.
We are already at full employment. Industries are already having to out source or relocate over seas because they can't hire enough employees.
We aborted 40 million American workers and sent the survivors to college to study art history.
Produce is already rotting in the fields in California for lack of workers.
Anyone who claims that he can't find a job because the illegal immigrants took them all away is probably just scammimg the people supporting him.
"“The economic study shows that for every field worker you have, you create four to 10 other jobs. These exist because of these people and all of these industries would otherwise suffer significantly.”..."
A common lie. But of course, you cite a source that benefits from illegal labor.
It's been proven false. They made the same lame arguments when the bracero program was ended. The price of tomatoes would go up. There would be a shortage. Anarchy in the street!
Instead, the market adjusted. Farmers automated. Productivity shot up and prices dropped.
And the short sighted employers who wanted to pay below-market wages instead of either modernizing or raising wages were proved wrong.
But hey, don't let facts get in your way!
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Source?
Produce is rotting in the fields in California. Your theories about automation and history of the bracero program doesn't alter reality.
Love the quisling graphic!
I'm quite sure that if there had been an Internet in 1940, there would have been "Norwegians" posting that all of Norway should welcome the "help and assistance" of their "German brothers."
"Source?"
I could give you a link, as I've done here in the past, but it wouldn't make a difference. If you really wanted to know about it, you could google just like everyone else.
In fact, God almighty could come down to earth, walk into your house, and tell you you're wrong, and you'd probably call him an anti-immigrant racist.
You are so far gone it's laughable. But like I said on another thread, I'm glad you're on that side. You're destroying it from within.
You have never given me a source disproving the fact asserted in this article "that for every field worker you have, you create four to 10 other jobs."
The produce rotting in the fields means no one is needed to process it, transport it, and market it.
Think about all the people involved between a tomato being picked and the person at the drive-in window asking if you'd like ketchup with your fries.
But then we can always buy those little ketchup packets from South America.
Produce is already rotting in the fields in California for lack of workers.
Apparently, the problem is not the fact that we don't have enough of your illegal alien buddies working in the fields picking our produce:
Study counters beliefs about illegal immigrants (Only 3 percent work in agriculture)
The problem appears to be that agricultural work has become the type of work that many illegal aliens won't do.
Hoo boy...looks like another job for...
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"Who will pay Social Security? Taxes?!?!"
BWAH-HA-HA! ILLEGALS STEAL S.S. ID #'s...and they pass them around to OTHER ILLEGALS, who take OUT the benefits! And let's not forget that ILLEGAL INFILTRATORS do NOT need 40 quarters to qualify for SS and Gub'Mint aid like REGULAR Americans and LEGAL immigrants! And then there are the Anchor Babies, and all the extended families that are brought in, and will be here under Jorge Arbusto's Shamnesty Program that you OBL moronls love!
Taxes? How about a 100% tax on the money being TRANSFERRED to Mexico? That might BEGIN to repay the cost to health care, welfare, edjumicashum, and the DRAIN on the local economies!
BTW, who picks up the tab for the CLEAN-UP in the "pristine desert envionment" that the ILLEGAL INFILTRATORS cause daily?
And what about all the Americans that have lost their homes and jobs now in LA and MS? Should we CONTINUE to allow ILLEGALS to get jobs before AMERICANS?
These are the same people who cry that we are exporting jobs overseas. One of these day when we've managed to export farming to foreign countries they won't need a nuclear bomb to defeat us.
Believe me there will be plenty of jobs created by Katrina. This economy will be at full tilt trying to rebuild.
yes, and you never disputed the fact that this comes from a source that profits from illegal labor at the expense of others.
You know how they pick oranges in most of florida?
It's not illegal aliens. Someone saw a need and developed giant machines - two on each side of a row of trees- the quickly shake all the oranges off the trees and into the storage container. Two workers driving them can fill up dozens of truckloads of oranges - all for less than it costs to have illegal aliens do it.
And that makes the price of oranges stay low or drop.
I'll anticipate your next whine: "But there's no way every farmer can afford those huge machines! All those farms would go out of business!"
They don't need to afford those machines - they're used only briefly. All they need is a few contractors who DO own the machines to come in and pick the oranges at a lower cost than having humans do it by hand.
That's automation and progress. That contributes to the american economy in better jobs like manufacturing and related activities. Much better than immigrant farm labor jobs.
But your blind, bizarre allegience has the direct effect of preventing that automation from happening. Instead, these farmers, like the ones the paper you cited appeals to, keep doing things the same way they've always done- progress and the law be damned.
Ok, you can call me a xenophobic racist now. You're about overdue.
Tancredo proposed a 5% tax until someone informed him that 95% of transfers were processed through Western Union and that Western Union was the largest employer in his Congressional District.
Tancredo did the fastest crawfish in D.C. history.
I'm afraid that people with tunnel vision can only see so far. Most have never been on a farm and most don't have a real clue about the problem. I've always wished that they'd have to actually go hungry for a few days, they are like the Dimocrats, they want cheap, plentiful, and safe food but they just want it to appear from nowhere.
Please show me where I've ever called you a racist or xenophobe.
Are you pro-illegal immigration or anti-illegal immigration?
oh not me, but I'm just saving you and the others a step.
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