Katrina Live Thread XII

Various ^ | 31 August 2005 | Various

[txdoda]

I think it's time for Jeff to get out of there.

Just the fact that reporters are now escaping the mayhem says alot

[endthematrix]

Well I'm never going to go to a public shelter, knowing now I wouldn't be allowed to leave. I'd rather be on my own!

[Admin Moderator]

Read this thread very carefully and tell me these people are staging a "hoax".

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[MEG33]

That is not the case at the Astrodome ..The lockdown occured because of the situation citywide in NO and the rising waters..The people will be given ID to get back in if they leave.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168120,00.html
Refugees Fill Texas Shelters

[burzum]

Your Northridge experience is the normal case for disaster scenarios. The disaster scenarios in movies are almost 180 degrees out of phase. A study came out about 6 or so months ago (and I wish I had the link) that went over how people actually react in disaster scenarios. Typically:

• Looting is rare
• People do not run away from the causality area. Instead they move towards it. There is no mass panic unless the danger is imminent (i.e. 9/11 where people ran away from the falling WTC towers and then walked back to help).
• Even if family members are killed by a disaster, people do not become apathetic. They are still able to function normally (i.e. they don't curl up into a ball).
• Civil unrest rarely occurs. People will look to those in authority to take over (police, firemen, etc). People will follow the orders of those who are in authority. Mutinies do not occur.

These items do not necessarily mean that responses to disasters are effective or helpful. It takes a good organizer to do that. It just means that the disorder is New Orleans is very odd. This would not normally occur. There must be some reason why anarchy is taking over when people naturally tend to move towards order. My opinion is that the proportion of the criminals to average persons in New Orleans is significantly larger than what it was before the hurricane (not counting new criminals). I also think that the level of intelligence has dropped. Smarter people who were not disabled probably fled knowing the potential for destruction. Smarter people tend to want some sort of order (and to follow the laws).

[txdoda]

words escape me......

still wondering why WATER & food couldn't of been airlifted to the Dome by Tues.

[bd476]

Hillarys Gate Cult wrote: "I think it's Jeff Goldblatt."

Thanks. We don't have cable here so I was trying to figure out why Jeff Goldblum would be in the area.

It would have made sense though because a New Orleans citizen, writer and comedian/actor Harry Shearer was interviewed on our local talk radio station last night. He has a home in New Orleans, on higher ground above the lake.

[txdoda]

A study came out about 6 or so months ago

I don't think this 'study' will apply to what we are seeing/hearing about this tragedy.

It's not just NO......sad to say reports from MS said looters were in action before the storm had even passed....& now looters climbing over bodies (in houses) to loot these same houses.

[Mo1]

Hillarys Gate Cult wrote: "I think it's Jeff Goldblatt."

Thanks HGC .. that's his name .. my bad :0(

[burzum]

I think it applies for the same reasons. The smarter people ran. The criminals stayed to exploit the situation. If the hurricane hit when the area was fully populated with a full spectrum of different types of people, I think it would have much less disorder.

[wolficatZ]

Yes, and thanks for your patience also; that part of my post was implied for those who initiated the hoax rumor.
Very happy things are back on track.

[AliVeritas]

As reported by WABC radio NY this morning:

Apparently some fire stations in Jersey and elsewhere are training volunteers for two-week stints in affected areas. I would think at this stage it would mainly demo and clean up.

So for all you who can ... it's a hands-on opportunity to help. Will report main contact when found.

Some of our firefighters are down there already and the Yankees gave 1 million (could've given more, but better than nothing).

[Moose4]

Heh...my wife got out there just before 7:00 am and the line was already thousands of people long, traffic backed up three miles on Laburnum just to get to the Fairgrounds. She left, and never saw the melee break out at the front of the line.

Katrina really puts things in perspective. We had a couple thousand of Henrico County's trashier component (of all races) stampede little old ladies and run over children to get $50 laptops...and now a half-million people in the Gulf have noplace to live, no food, no water. I wish I could say those people up here felt ashamed for what they did, but somehow you and I both know they don't. They got their crapped-out iBook, and that's all that mattered. And no doubt some of them are complaining to the county that the iBook isn't the latest model and the batteries are shot and there's a crack in the LCD and the keys are sticky...

}:-)4

[easonc52]

The smarter people ran.

Many here at FR were wondering why people weren't being told more forcefully to evacuate many hours before the call to do so came.

Some don't realize that many people don't follow impending events as well as they do.

For instance, my dad (in CA) didn't realize how bad the storm was getting, so wasn't as concerned about his sisters in Purvis (12 miles SSW of Hattiesburg) as he should have been. Although, being 60 miles inland, the Hattiesburg disaster probably wouldn't have been expected.

Anyway, the gov and mayor should have been loudly and forcefully pushing people out, long before the President called to say 'get the people the f out of there'. IMHO

[8mmMauser]

From Wampus SC and BykrBayb,

Call to action:

FReepers need help for New Orleans Police!

8mm

(this includes Ohioan from Florida's ping list, v.7-10-05 with personal updates 8/22.)

[OC_Steve]

According to the local Houston TV stations the first buses have started to arrive at the Astrodome. The actual first bus was one they did not expect. It was a school bus that a group had commandeered and driven to Houston. The driver said that the police told him to take it. My feeling is that they just basically took the thing. The Red Cross folks at the Astrodome seemed perplexed as to what to do. My feeling is that if the TV cameras had not been on, a lot more difficult questions would have been asked. I fear our first guests in the Astrodome are probably some of the looter scum we have been seeing on TV.

[8mmMauser]

See Post #1692 and my #2416
8mm

[Peach]

Please check in when you can to let us know your situation and any information you have found out.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Sounds like Baghdad.