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New Orleans' Tragic Paradox
LA Times ^ | August 31, 2005 | Kevin Sack

Posted on 08/31/2005 12:49:47 PM PDT by Brilliant

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To: Brilliant
I guess my friend would have been less likely to break his ankles if he would have attempted the balcony to balcony jump today...
41 posted on 08/31/2005 2:19:17 PM PDT by todd1
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To: Huck
So what's your solution? Abandon SF and relocate elsewhere?

There are limits to what Man can do to make his environment safe. People weigh the risks versus the benefits and make their choices. People have lived their entire lives in SF along with their children and children's children without having endured the Big One.

42 posted on 08/31/2005 2:19:52 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Brilliant

I think the idea of New Orleans is more enchanting than New Orleans itself.


43 posted on 08/31/2005 2:20:06 PM PDT by skr
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To: Huck

>> There's nothing merciful in destroying people's lives

I will not get rat holed into a discussion of this type. You win, God sucks like a black hole and is a killer angel.

Godspeed to you.


44 posted on 08/31/2005 2:20:40 PM PDT by mmercier (evils still worse we have known)
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To: mmercier

>>New Orleans is our national epiphany, showing us that God is good, great and ultimately merciful in the extreme.

LOL!


45 posted on 08/31/2005 2:21:36 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Motherbear

They may have been let down by their leaders, but many must also take personal responsibility for not heeding the warnings to leave.


46 posted on 08/31/2005 2:22:16 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Motherbear

>.New Orleans smelly, filthy, and having just a bit too much tolerance for debauchery...but hey, that's just me. :)

That's what made it so so very very great.

Damn, I keep slipping into the past tense.


47 posted on 08/31/2005 2:23:05 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: kabar

That's right. And when they get hit, they'll be "victims."


48 posted on 08/31/2005 2:23:59 PM PDT by Huck (Looting makes GREAT television.)
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To: kittymyrib

You don't say where you live but to answer your question, the US will rebuild NO the same as your city would be rebuilt if it was destroyed.


49 posted on 08/31/2005 2:27:47 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: swarthyguy
>> LOL!

Laugh as you will, I am still looking for the humor regarding this tragedy.

It will likely take me a year to find out how many cousins I have lost.
50 posted on 08/31/2005 2:29:37 PM PDT by mmercier (die thou unheard, tears unshed)
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To: Huck

Exactly. They are victims. The very idea that people shoud be blamed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time is sophistry. NO could have been built on a hill and still been damaged by Katrina. Are the people of NO any less victims than those of Mobile, Biloxi, Miami, Gulfport, Jackson, etc.? If the Big One comes to SF, many more people will be affected than just those in SF. I guess there must be varying degrees of victimhood.


52 posted on 08/31/2005 2:30:40 PM PDT by kabar
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To: mmercier

I'm sincerely sorry I stuck my feet in my mouth, then.


53 posted on 08/31/2005 2:37:20 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Motherbear
If you don't have a car to get in a two hour gas line and then drive ten hours to take you two hours out of town, just what would you do?

I would have tried to leave earlier, which is easy to say after the fact. Certainly people were warned about the coming disaster more than 10 hours before it hit. Unfortunately, many thought that this was just another instance of the government and the MSM hyping the event and crying wolf.

The gas lines were long. Many stations had already run out of gas. My relatives drove 10 hours to get two hours out of New Orleans.

Too little, too late. My wife's cousin lives in Jackson. They have no gas, no food, and no electricity. The damage to their house was small, but they now regret not having left earlier. Now they are stuck.

Some of those leaders' heads should roll. I'm no bleeding heart liberal, but it's pretty obvious that some of these people had NO options but to stay in their homes or go to the Superdome. My relatives briefly considered that, but considering the rioting and violence that has occurred previously in the Superdome, not everyone may have felt safer there. For many--the choices were worse or worst.

I agree with you there. The governor and the mayor waited too long to order a mandatory evacuation. The Governers of Alabama and Mississippi did a better job in that regard. When all is known, I think we will find that Mississippi was struck the worst.

54 posted on 08/31/2005 2:39:52 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Motherbear
To be somewhat fair, we are dealing with a huge catastrophe, which will require an enormous amount of resources. The area affected and number of people involved are daunting challenges even for the most competent leaders.

That said, Blanco and Nagin dropped the ball from the very beginning. They just didn't act quickly and decisive enough. I hope GWB understands the scope of the crisis and the need to bring every resource we can to assist these people sooner rather than later. A sense of urgency is definitely needed.

56 posted on 08/31/2005 2:51:51 PM PDT by kabar
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It is a tribute to the ingenuity and greatness of Americans that a great city could be built and then flourish.

Rebuilding the levees higher isn't going to fix the FACT that the levee system and the artificial routing of the mississippi river are going to cause more wetlands to slide into the gulf and place NO in greater danger after we pour billions of tax dollars into that rathole. Yeah, what a brilliant idea.

57 posted on 08/31/2005 2:57:27 PM PDT by jess35
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To: Huck

It all depends on how they rebuild, if they're smart they'll be like Seattle and make a new ground floor that's at least a little above sea level. Could be an interesting project to watch, going under the city in Seattle is interesting. Given where it is there WILL be a city there, the only question is what will it look like.


58 posted on 08/31/2005 3:00:13 PM PDT by discostu (When someone tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back)
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Rebuilding the levees higher isn't going to fix the FACT that the levee system and the artificial routing of the mississippi river are going to cause more wetlands to slide into the gulf and place NO in greater danger after we pour billions of tax dollars into that rathole. Yeah, what a brilliant idea.

I am not a civil engineer, but I do know that there is a technical solution to make NO more secure and safe from hurricanes. It may involve artificial barrier islands.

I don't know what your technical qualifications are to comment on whatever solution is developed from the lessons learned, but the Dutch have certainly been able to deal with similar problems. In fact, the American Society of Civil Engineers, considers what was done as one of the seven modern wonders of the world.

Netherlands North Sea Protection Works

This singularly unique, vast and complex system of dams, floodgates, storm surge barriers and other engineered works literally allows the Netherlands to exist. For centuries, the people of the Netherlands have repeatedly attempted to push back the sea, only to watch brutal storm surges flood their efforts, since the nation sits below sea level and its land mass is still sinking.

The North Sea Protection Works consists of two monumental steps the Dutch took to win their struggle to hold back the sea. Step one, a 19-mile-long enclosure dam, was built between 1927 and 1932. The immense dike, 100-yards thick at the waterline, collars the neck of the estuary once known as Zuiderzee. Step two, the Delta Project, was intended to control the treacherous area where the mouths of the Meuse and Rhine Rivers break into a delta. The project's crowning touch was the Eastern Schelde Barrier, a two-mile barrier of tell gates slung between massive concrete piers, which fall only when storm-waters threaten. The North Sea Protection Works exemplifies the ability of humanity to exist side-by-side with the forces of nature.

Over 25% of the Netherlands is below sea level. The balance of land averages only 37' above sea level. Much of the land that was once below sea level is today reclaimed and protected by 1,500 miles of dikes.

59 posted on 08/31/2005 3:10:09 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Huck

There are very few places on this earth completely immune to natural disaster, and most of them don't have the kind of terrain and weather to be truly useful for sustaining society (need coasts for trade, all coasts are dangerous; the wide open plains of farmlands are perfect for tornados and massive floods; mountains are generally the result of various forms of natural disasters, and are also the primary location for the metals that make our world possible). So blaming people who live somewhere that gets hit by a natural disaster for getting hit by a natural disaster is just dumb, if they didn't live in those places we wouldn't have been able to build the richest most powerful nation in the history of the world.


60 posted on 08/31/2005 3:14:11 PM PDT by discostu (When someone tries to kill you, you try to kill them right back)
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