The President Casino gaming barge sits in the parking lot of the Biloxi Beach Front Resort Hotel next to the Mississippi Coast Coliseum on U.S. 90 in Biloxi. The casino barge was washed ashore.
Posted on 08/30/2005 10:10:45 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
It is with heavy heart I write this...
I have finally reconnected with my best friend who is a paramedic who was sent from Georgia 2 days ago to Gulf Port, Mississippi before the hurricane hit.
He just reached me within the last 10 mins via emergency cell phone to tell me he was alive.
Thousands of bodies have been discovered throughout Mississippi in Gulf Port, Waveland,Hancock County,Bay of St.Louis.
They are hanging in trees and they are pulling them out 30 at a time. Entire families found drowned in their homes and washing up on shore.
The stories he could tell me were brief. National Guard is on the scene and arresting anyone seen on the streets.
The numbers are staggering and what I have been told tonight will shake people to their foundation as the numbers will be coming out in the next 24-hours of just how many people have actually perished in these and 3 other beach communities.
More to follow....
NO mayor said he expected the numbers to grow into the thousands as they start house to house searches.
"So, folks who don't agree with you lock-step are dangerous to the cause." Quix
You and the religious kooks you follow are biblical illiterates. When you bring that biblical illiteracy here and peddle it, you embarrass yourselves AND Free Republic.
This is written for biblical illiterates in case they might be tempted to listen to the religious kooks:
"..Whenever we run across any person who criticizes the Bible, claims findings of contradiction or error -- [or claims to have found "secret codes" or "secret knowledge"] they do not deserve the benefit of the doubt. ...
It doesn't take very long to realize that a thorough understanding of the Bible -- and this would actually apply to any complex work from any culture -- requires specialized knowledge, and a broad range of specialized knowledge in a variety of fields.
Obviously the vast majority of believers spend their entire lives doing little more than reading the Bible in English (or whatever native tongue) and importing into its words whatever ideas they derive from their own experiences. This process is very often one of "decontextualizing" -- what I have here called "reading it like it was written yesterday and for you personally." Of course if the church as a whole is locked into this mentality, you may well suspect that critics (whether Skeptics or other) and those in alternate faiths are no better off.
Let's anticipate and toss off the obvious objection: "Why did God make the Bible so hard to understand, then?" It isn't -- none of this keeps a person from grasping the message of the Bible to the extent required to be saved; where the line is to be drawn is upon those who gratuitously assume that such base knowledge allows them to be competent critics of the text, and make that assumption in absolute ignorance of their own lack of knowledge -- what I have elsewhere spoken of in terms of being "unskilled and unaware of it."
And is my observation to this effect justified? Well, ask yourself this question after considering what various fields of knowledge a complete and thorough (not to say sufficient for intelligent discourse, though few even reach that pinnacle, especially in the critical realm) study of the Bible requires:
Linguistics/language -- indeed three languages: Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. Criticizing the Bible in English is a hallmark of critics, who must inevitably resort to one of several excuses: "The translators obviously thought this was good enough, so that settles it." It never occurs to them to ask why a certain translation choice was made, or to make a critical study of the word in question as needed; in a most extreme case -- veteran readers know to whom I refer -- we have persons who think that it is impossible for there to be any new insights into ancient languages, and will openly reject out of hand any more recent study suggesting a word or words have a more nuanced or different meaning than the chosen English word.
It is also ridiculous to assume that even the matched English word can be vested with the same contextual significance as the original word -- any bilingual can attest that there are plenty of examples between languages of words that do not adequately capture all nuances when they are used to translate another word.
...English itself has changed, not only in the hundreds of years since the KJV, but also in the last decades since the NIV was written (which is the reason there is a new TNIV coming out, and why we now even have word studies on the KJV!).
Literature -- One prominent critic advises people to "read the Bible like a newspaper."
That is absolutely the worst advice that can be given for reading any text that isn't a newspaper.
The genres of the Bible include narrative, poetry, proverbial literature, wisdom discourse, a treaty (that's what Deuteronomy is, believe it or not!), legal codes, genealogies, biography (that is what the Gospels are!), personal letters and general letters, rhetoric (an art form in the ancient world), riposte, and apocalyptic.
Treating each one as a newspaper -- written yesterday and with our own ideas in mind -- is a mistake constantly made by critics who impose their own absurd genre-demands on the text.
Textual criticism -- this is a specialized field of determining the original state of a text.
Archaeology -- a field with many sub-fields of it's own, which may involve knowledge of geography, geology or chemistry.
Psychology -- the study of human behavior, essential to understanding the motives of persons in a text; yet most people do not even have basic knowledge of their own psychology! This aspect is complicated by the variance in human behavior we note in our next entry:
Social sciences -- it is in this field that we have found the most ignorance among critics, and not much less of it in others. It would shock the average pew-sitter to be told such things as that: persons in the world of the Bible did not have what we would call an internal conscience; or that Biblical society was heavily focused on honor, much like Japan's culture.
No, most assume that people everywhere and at every time have been pretty much the same. That's one of the biggest mistakes a critic can make.
History/historiography.
Theology/philosophy -- obviously!
Logic -- oh yes -- we know, most critics think they have a handle on this one; but most have done little more than memorize the names of a few fallacies, and then look for them everywhere they go.
Sadly this is the one area in which people are mostly "unskilled and unaware of it" -- or else, they presume that this is all they need, and never bother to study in any other area.
Miscellaneous -- I may think of more later, but as a catch-all, for example, you may have to learn a bit about biology (for example, if someone says the Bible teaches wrongly about the ostrich's living habits) or other areas.
That's quite a list, but there's one more note to add -- the holistic ability to put all of it together.
How serious is this? Very. A carefully crafted argument about a text being an interpolation can be undermined by a single point from Greco-Roman rhetoric.
A claim having to do with psychology can be destroyed by a simple observation from the social sciences. Not even most scholars in the field can master every aspect -- what then of the non-specialist critic who puts together a website in his spare time titled 1001 Irrifutible Bible Contradictions?
Do these persons deserves our attention? Should they be recognized as authorities? No, they deserve calculated contempt for their efforts. (By this, I do not mean emotional or behavioral contempt, but a calculated disregard for their work from an academic perspective.)
They have not even come close to deserving our attention, and should feed only itching ears with similar tastes.
Skeptics with largo egos who complain that this site does not always link to the articles it is addressing need to be told that their efforts -- engaging what I will call from here on "trailer park scholarship" -- do not deserve links.
The Aryan Stormfront page may as well complain that Holocaust memorial sites do not link to them; or, the Flat Earth Society may as well demand links from professional geology and geography departments at college websites.
Who are these people trying to kid? Their scholarship, as a whole, is reckless and pitiable; what they know, they have learned from reading a few popular books with no conception of the broader issues and fields at hand.
Why does this site need to link to some injudicious blunderbuss who claims that Lev. 25:23, which has God saying the land is "mine," has to be read figuratively because if it were literal, then it would cause problems because people would then covet the land owned by God and that would cause them to break the commandment against coveting?
Why do we need to link to people who refuse to come to the social world of the Bible on its own terms, and accuse scholars who are experts in the social world of the NT of being ignorant, based on nothing more than a bare English reading of the texts? These people deserve not links, but contempt and obscurity. ~ J. P. Holding
http://www.tektonics.org/af/calcon.html
Those able bodied men had ample warning. Everything was provided. Transportation and all. And those men who deserted their families during this time of disaster are the ones who need to worry about their eternal situation. I saw a lot of women with small children struggling alone. I feel sorry for them! I do not feel sorry for able bodied men and I don't care if they're poor or wealthy. Makes no difference.
Well, specifically the reporter said that most of the neighborhood lives government check to government check, and due to the timing of the storm they hadn't gotten their monthly check on the 1st of the month, and were low on money for gas, and hence chose not to leave.
A really controversial issue I'm sure but from what I know of people living off the government it seems wholly realistic to me.
AP reports N.O. Mayor is saying hundreds, possibly thousands have died in this storm. Reporter went on to say it will most likely be a staggering number, according to anonymous authorities they have been in contact with. Looks like SOME on this thread (who should remain nameless) owe MFH an apology.
<< They censored people jumping from the Towers.>>
terror attack, political correctness, etc.
this is all due to global warming/massive hurricane/evil Republicans so big incentive for MSM to have body bags 24/7.
They certainly don't shy away from Iraq war casualties.
No...im not taking anything out of context with you...I was just posting it to the board and it so happens it was your post that I replied to.
Nothing personal.
I know, but those who did not wanted to make it sound outlandish. I posted that thousands probably died the night of the storm, and compared it to Galveston... 75% of the responses to that comment were along the lines of "you're dumb." The fact that anyone could look at the damage and think the tolls were in the hundreds means there are a lot of ill informed people posting their thoughts.
""Well, there are the federal handouts he'll be lobbying for so generating public sympathy is in his own interest... So Barbour's despair might be over his own political future as much as anything else.
Your comment is vicious and disgraceful!
Did I mention George W. Bush?
We are ruled by a bureaucracy. The Germans have a word for it: Beamtenherrschaft. This bureacracy will lie routinely to prevent, for example, the ruled from getting uppity about the number of illegal aliens in the U.S.
Do you think the government is telling the truth about the number of illegal aliens in the U.S.?
Yeah, they're queuing it up now...NOT!
Yeah. That'll happen. ;)
Just New Orleans....
..so I think this affirms MyFavorite Headache, ....sadly.
President Bush has been flying over the devastation and will be speaking later.
Air Force One landing now.
Ill-informed but probably too shocked to believe. I didn't want to believe it but knew it had to be true.
The President Casino gaming barge sits in the parking lot of the Biloxi Beach Front Resort Hotel next to the Mississippi Coast Coliseum on U.S. 90 in Biloxi. The casino barge was washed ashore.
Based on what I have seen thus far, it appears that the dead will number in at least the thousands and that NO should not be rebuilt to what it was. What would be the use?
I just saw a professor from UVA who said that global warming has no impact on hurricanes in the Atlantic. Also he said statistically it is an average year as far as hurricanes go.
"They censored people jumping from the Towers."
Because that might get people mad at those peaceful jihadists.
The background for this story would be "George Bush caused this hurricane by not stopping global warming."
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