Katrina Live Thread, Part XI

Various ^ | 30 August 2005 | Various

[fatima]

Back off.

[John Jamieson]

I thought any water leaving NO had to be pumped ... I didn't know about any drains .....

[tcrlaf]

***The River is flowing through "multiple breaches" into St. Bernard Parish, per the mayor.

St. Bernard Parish is overflowing into the Idustrial Canal, in an image which has been posted in this thread several times.

The Industrial Canal opens into the Lake.***

That would explain the photos from earlier today showing water flowing OUT of a neighborhood...

And why the water continues to RISE in NO...

[PAR35]

There are no significant tides on a lake

It is not a fresh water lake. It is brackish, with tidal flow from the Gulf mixing with fresh water from a couple of smaller rivers. Think of it more as a shallow bay with a constricted mouth to the sea.

[Flux Capacitor]

That's all it is. People need leaders in situations like this, and what the entire world has discovered over the last few days is something most in this state have always known: There aren't any to be found in the Louisiana political class, at any level. (Well, Bobby Jindal, but look what they did to him.) America was expecting to find a Rudy Giuliani at the helm here; were THEY ever disappointed! :)

Are Nagin and Blanco pathetic? Of course they are. Blanco's worse than pathetic; she doesn't have enough functioning brain cells to successfully run an electric can opener.

What they don't deserve, what nobody deserves, is to be blamed for the loss of human life in a city that was doomed long, long, long before they ever came on the scene. That's what many here have chosen to do, and that's disgusting. New Orleans is drowning tonight for the very simple reason that New Orleans IS what it IS. Where hurricanes are concerned, its problem is and always has been fundamentally different from that of any other major American city. Blaming Blanco and Nagin for not doing something to "fix" the threat of a doomsday hurricane is pretty much like John F. Kerry blaming Bush for not leaping to his feet and charging off to New York to personally pull people out of the WTC rubble. It's just a shame that so many people can't recognize their own absurdity.

-Dan

[John Jamieson]

The lake is normally controlled to 1 foot above sea level.

No tides.

[steveegg]

Timeline as best as I can quickly reconstruct from the earlier Katrina threads (times are CDT) -

• Sometime before 5 pm Friday,, the governor issues a state of emergency for Louisiana
• As of 10:45 pm Friday, New Orleans was simply monitoring the storm.
• At 10 pm Friday, the National Hurricane Center's 3-day track targets New Orleans for a late-afternoon Monday strike. The previous track issued at 4 pm bulls-eyed the Mississippi-Alabama line
• At 10 am Saturday, the NWS issues a hurricane watch for New Orleans.
• By 11:30 am Saturday, evacuations were ordered for parishes to the south and east of New Orleans.
• At 12:22 pm Saturday, Diddle E. Squatt points out that allowing the southern parishes to evacuate first is part of the plan.
• At 4:45 pm Saturday, the voluntary evacuation order for New Orleans is given. At this point, the NWS track shows the eye hitting about 1 pm Monday.
• At 3 am Sunday, the mayor claimed he could not make the evacuation mandatory due to a "legal technicality", and that he would order it if he could.
• At 9:25 am Sunday the evacuation became mandatory.

[Torie]

The drain is from the lake to the gulf. Clearly, whatever the level of the lake will be the level of water in NO.

[fatima]

No.

[Pepper777]

{{{{{Republic}}}}}} Happy to see you!!!

I couldn't believe what the gov was saying. Instead of being on Larry King she should have been taking care of business and getting those people out of that stinking Dome and to a place of safety.

Our President can't do everything for her. You might not have been dreaming, cause I wouldn't put it past Mary L to have complained about anything Bush did to try and help her state.

I really am worried about all those people in the Dome. It must stink like a sewer in there. yuk!!

[steveegg]

Filtering, don't know, or waiting for next of kin to be notified? I won't take money on any over the other.

[buckleyfan]

Sometime before 5 pm Friday,, the governor issues a state of emergency for Louisiana

I suppose she was just kidding though. After all, nobody took this seriously, right? The following evacuations were just for fun as well.

"Diddle E. Squats?" I guess he should have told people to "Get OUT of the city" in an even more stern voice, and wagged a finger.

I honestly don't know what more you can do, as a city official, than tell people to leave.

[John Jamieson]

Once it fills up (if the bilge pumps all fail), that's right.

Don't you think we should get those people out of there?

[Pepper777]

"Ah, but he did; it was the "It's gonna turn" plan."

Or the Kerry - I have a plan - plan. That's what I was thinking earlier. All the demos do is talk about working on a plan (secret plan), but do nothing.

[Howlin]

Gov. Kathleen Blanco declared a state of emergency late Friday, making it easier to implement emergency procedures, including evacuations, if necessary.

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said he will make a decision about evacuations and other emergency procedures today about noon.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1471729/posts?page=265#265

[John Jamieson]

Maybe a small nuc should be used to make a bigger drain?

[Pepper777]

"I have no source for the following other than some idle hearsay, but, I had heard that the public transit buses were moved out of NO, during the height of the attempted evacuation process, empty, except for the driver."

Are you serious???? Do you think they were worried about damaged buses instead of people's lives?

[txdoda]

We have friends you own a house there. I guess that the house has been destroyed but did the island itself get reclaimed by the water? Was the refinery there destroyed?

Sorry, I have heard very little info about the outer areas from NO.

I lived in Houma 3 yrs. & am familiar with many of them.....been down thru Cocadrie to GI many times. (have even been to Venice !!).

Only info I have read about GI, is that the 'eye' came ashore there, it is now split in two, & 3 (of 7) that stayed, had been rescued.

I fear the news will be much worse about this tragedy, as we get more reports from these outer areas of all these states.

[steveegg]

Did you follow the timeline here?

[eternity]

I am and heard who is responsible for hurricanes Ivan and Katrina. Or as Homer Simpson would say, "Those crazy Russians."