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To: RobbyS
"More to the point, waht is the practical value of knowing how organiuc matter emerged from iinorganic matter if the original conditions are so different from what we know how? Do we hope to "seed" Venus" or something? Like "Genesis" in that "Star Trek" movie?"

If abiogensis, and hence macro-Evolution are true, there is no God. No God, no absolutes, no truth, no judgement to come.

BUT, if God created, then we better figure out who he is, what he wants, and what his rules are, and if he will judge us.

Musolini, Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler were all strong evolutionists. Charlie Darwin was a strong Racist. Abiogenesis macro-Evolutionary thought will continue to bring many evils upon the world, e.g. cloning for parts, genocide, abortion on demand, euthenasia, homosexualty, polygamy, bestiality, etc.

There is plenty of evidence against slow, gradual rise of new genus from other genus, e.g. no fossil evidence - there should be TON's!. But the philosophical underpinnings are the result of the world view.

88 posted on 08/30/2005 12:08:43 PM PDT by jimmyray
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To: jimmyray
Stalin ... were all strong evolutionists

Erm, no he wasn't. Stalin's favoured scientist Lysenko was so ideologically opposed to evolution by natural selection that all Soviet biologists had to follow his baloney theories, utterly destroying Russian biology for a whole generation. Oops!

90 posted on 08/30/2005 12:17:20 PM PDT by moatilliatta
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To: jimmyray

Your posts are interesting.... and tho I'm not well-versed in this kind of debate... I have a question that I've never had answered satisfactorily by evolutionists. Doesn't present-time observations tell us that life forms "degenerate" or become extinct... without intelligent intervention?


94 posted on 08/30/2005 12:29:16 PM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: jimmyray
If abiogensis, and hence macro-Evolution are true, there is no God.

Why should the former necessitate the latter?

109 posted on 08/30/2005 12:57:19 PM PDT by malakhi (Let the wookie win.)
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To: jimmyray

I don't think that it is exactly that bad. If one thinks of God as First Cause, then evolution, even the "
emergence" of life is simply a secondary effect. Atheists may see no purpose in anything, but then an ant sees no meaning in the ocean. My personal complaint is that their story is partly fable. Not in the sense of being false but in the sense of being fictions that contain some useful truth. More or less as they see "Genesis."


117 posted on 08/30/2005 1:27:44 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: jimmyray
If abiogensis, and hence macro-Evolution are true, there is no God.

This statement is false.
160 posted on 08/30/2005 2:21:28 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: jimmyray
If abiogensis, and hence macro-Evolution are true, there is no God. No God, no absolutes, no truth, no judgement to come.

Wow. Didja bother to read post 48? Oh wait a minute... YOU posted it!

I guess strange things can happen in an hour and a half...

378 posted on 08/31/2005 2:08:13 PM PDT by Condorman (Changes aren't permanent, but change is.)
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