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To: NautiNurse; seamole; Torie
My question: if the levees broke a day after the brunt of the storm...why did they breach?
2,005 posted on 08/30/2005 12:15:27 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy

They were probably breached during the storm... the hole just got larger after.


2,023 posted on 08/30/2005 12:17:24 PM PDT by nwctwx (Everything I need to know, I learned on the Threat Matrix)
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Jeffers - can you please help with the question in post #2005?


2,030 posted on 08/30/2005 12:18:10 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: Shermy
My question: if the levees broke a day after the brunt of the storm...why did they breach?

They probably got a bit of overwash that started cutting a small ravine that suddenly deepened and widened as the gradient went to work. That's the problem with levees - you take a sluggish stream and give it a gradient if the levee fails.

2,031 posted on 08/30/2005 12:18:19 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: Shermy

Water seeps into the earthen barrier comprising the levees.

The soil becomes water soaked, weakens and eventually gives way. Or if it comes over the levy, the flow erodes the levy from the top, weakening it.

Similar to what happened in 93 along the Miss.


2,051 posted on 08/30/2005 12:20:22 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Shermy
My question: if the levees broke a day after the brunt of the storm...why did they breach?

The LSU professor I saw on TV earlier said that the storm surges overspilling the levees caused the breach - apparently wearing them down until they gave.

2,067 posted on 08/30/2005 12:22:49 PM PDT by TonyInOhio (Would I lie to you?)
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To: Shermy
My question: if the levees broke a day after the brunt of the storm...why did they breach?

Liquidfaction? Just my guess being that they were earthen levees.

2,078 posted on 08/30/2005 12:24:20 PM PDT by CougarGA7 (Never underestimate stupid people in large groups.)
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To: Shermy

"To: NautiNurse; seamole; Torie
My question: if the levees broke a day after the brunt of the storm...why did they breach?"

The storm moved extra water into the Lake, putting strain on the levees. Dynamic strain, not just like you pushing against them but with the added force of a moving weight.

This open cracks, and also, along with the rain, turns the earthen sections to wet toothpaste.

Once water finds a way through to the downstream face (as applied to an earthen dam), it's all over. The water will flow and trickle, enlarging the breach, until that section fails.

Many people feared this all along. Until it actually happened, we remained silent so as not to fuel panic. Let the reporters think that the City had dodged the bullet, they might have been right. Those who needed to know were fully aware of the potential years before this storm.


2,115 posted on 08/30/2005 12:31:01 PM PDT by jeffers
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Looks like high < 20ft concrete wall. Looks like it cracked, then gave way. Maybe something big blew into it and started the crack propagating during the storm. It doesn't look that hard to fix. THey must have given up on it, or are mentally paralyzed.


2,118 posted on 08/30/2005 12:31:28 PM PDT by spunkets
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