Posted on 08/29/2005 1:49:54 PM PDT by FeeinTennessee
We keep the pressure on. Let them know we mean business.
Oh, I know. No matter which bill passes (if one does pass,) we're going to get a McCain-Kennedy style amnesty. Bush wouldn't have it any other way.
Close them Mr. President. There is NO down side, our "neighbors" to the south and the north hate us already. Any country that speaks against us will be old America haters anyway. Do it now!
Doesn't that say it all? And this from the Secretary of Homeland Security no less.
Disgusting! Absolutely disgusting!
I disagree. The Hispanic vote moves towards those who enable hispanic immigration. Be it legal or illegal.
I do find it funny that where people used to be called "tinfoil hatters" for mentioning your second point they are now called "commies" or "protectionists". Cant deny something when people can see it happening I guess. I will probably be hated for this but I would probably support more open borders in the hemisphere if permanent residency and new citizenship in the US were radically reduced. Since just the opposite will be true they lose my support.
There are only 3 reform bills in Congress.
Psssst, don't tell the freepers but no one has bothered to introduce a bill that reflects their views.
Even Tancredo supports guesr workers and his bill says nothing about deportations or fences. Tancredo is OBL.
It should also be noted that Bush will probably pimp "10,000 new border patrol agents" when/if he is pushing Cornyn-Kyl. Don't be fooled. The intelligence overhaul bill that passed in December of 2004 promised the exact same thing, 10,000 more border patrol agents, 2,000 a year for five years. What happened? Bush didn't fund 2,000 new border patrol agents like the bill said he could and that he said he would, instead he funded only 210, barely 10% of what was promised for the first year. Will he do this next year and the year after? Who knows. But it's all doubletalk smoke and mirrors.
Don't let the promise of 10,000 new border patrol agents fool you into supporting the Cornyn-Kyl amnesty, you'll only end up get about 1,000.
Most of our elected WashDC politicos ignore the people on this issue. Cong Tom Tancredo's Immigration Reform Caucus is the one faction in the HoR that means business. Here are the names of those US Congressmen who want serious immigration reform for the USA. 79 Republicans and 3 Democrats believe Tancredo's 4-Point Plan and his recent guest worker plan are whats needed to resolve this critical issue.
Congressman Robert Aderholt (R-AL) Congressman Duncan Hunter (R-CA) Congressman Todd Akin (R-MO) Congressman Henry Hyde (R-IL) Congressman Spencer Bachus (R-AL) Congressman Ernest Istook (R-OK) Congressman Richard Baker (R-LA) Congressman Walter Jones (R-NC) Congressman J. Gresham Barrett (R-SC) Congressman Ric Keller (R-FL) Congressman Roscoe Bartlett (R-MD) Congressman Steve King (R-IA) Congressman Joe Barton (R-TX) Congressman Jack Kingston (R-GA) Congressman Michael Bilirakis (R-FL) Congressman John Kline (R-MN) Congressman John Boozman (R-AR) Congressman John R. Randy Kuhl (R-NY) Congressman Allen Boyd (D-FL) Congressman Donald Manzullo (R-IL) Congressman Jeb Bradley (R-NH) Congressman Kenny Marchant (R-TX) Congressman Henry Brown (R-SC) Congressman Michael T. McCaul (R-TX) Congresswoman Ginny Brown-Waite (R-FL) Congressman Mike McIntyre (D-NC) Congressman Michael Burgess (R-TX) Congressman Gary Miller (R-CA) Congressman Dan Burton (R-IN) Congressman Jeff Miller (R-FL) Congressman Eric Cantor (R-VA) Congresswoman Marilyn Musgrave (R-CO) Congressman John Carter (R-TX) Congressman Charlie Norwood (R-GA) Congressman Howard Coble (R-NC) Congressman Butch Otter (R-ID) Congresswoman Barbara Cubin (R-WY) Congressman Mike Pence (R-IN) Congressman John Culberson (R-TX) Congressman Chip Pickering (R-MS) Congressman Geoff Davis (R-KY) Congressman Tom Price (R-GA) Congresswoman JoAnn Davis (R-VA) Congressman Jim Ramstad (R-MN) Congressman Nathan Deal (R-GA) Congressman Rick Renzi (R-AZ) Congressman Charles Dent (R-PA) Congressman Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) Congressman John Doolittle (R-CA) Congressman Ed Royce (R-CA) Congresswoman Thelma Drake (R-VA) Congressman Pete Sessions (R-TX) Congressman John Duncan (R-TN) Congressman John Shadegg (R-AZ) Congressman J. Randy Forbes (R-VA) Congressman Michael Simpson (R-ID) Congressman Trent Franks (R-AZ) Congressman Lamar Smith (R-TX) Congressman Scott Garrett (R-NJ) Congressman Cliff Stearns (R-FL) Congressman Phil Gingrey (R-GA) Congressman John Sullivan (R-OK) Congressman Louie Gohmert (R-TX) Congressman John E. Sweeney (R-NY) Congressman Virgil Goode (R-VA) Congressman Tom Tancredo (R-CO) Congressman Sam Graves (R-MO) Congressman Gene Taylor (D-MS) Congressman Gil Gutknecht (R-MN) Congressman Patrick Tiberi (R-OH) Congressman Ralph Hall (R-TX) Congressman Fred Upton (R-MI) Congressman Robin Hayes (R-NC) Congressman Greg Walden (R-OR) Congressman J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ) Congressman Zach Wamp (R-TN) Congressman Joel Hefley (R-CO) Congressman Dave Weldon (R-FL) Congressman Wally Herger (R-CA) Congressman Lynn Westmoreland (R-GA) Congressman Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) Congressman Roger F. Wicker (R-MS)
Polls from Hispanic voters have shown that the majority of them prefer better enforcement of our immigration laws.
I will probably be hated for this but I would probably support more open borders in the hemisphere if permanent residency and new citizenship in the US were radically reduced.
Above all (for me, anyway), the border needs to be closed to certain characters, such as gangs, terrorists, etc. That means we need effective border security, even with a loose immigration policy.
If the cost is presently too high to send them back what's it going to be 3 or 6 years from now when their guest worker visa runs out and they refuse to go home?
That statement by Chertoff proves the games they're playing with this issue. They have no intention of ever enforcing the laws, period.
BINGO!
All I'm saying is that I think the Dems, media, and ethnic interest groups will portray the provision not allowing 'guests' to bring their families as some sort of nazi policy. The specific matter of the cost associated with bringing family members, as well as the more general principle that the program should exist to serve the interests of Americans and not foreigners, will be lost amid one media sob story after another about 'the family left behind.'
I can imagine the House standing firm, but not the Senate. I also have a hard time believing that Mr "family values don't stop at the Rio Grande" will go along either. Afterall, that wouldn't be 'compassionate conservatism.'
"Build the fence, concrete not chain-link, under a works program like the TVA."
Dontcha know, these days they would hire illegal immigrants for the construction?
The federal government would let a contracts, with a private company. The contracts would have a clause forbidding hiring illegals.
The government would take no action to enforce that clause.
The contractor would fill his files with the fraudulent documents provided by the workers, and everybody would be set.
BAU. no problema
This system is acceptable with the workers, the employers, the federal government, the Republican party, the democrat party.
Tancredo's bill does not cut any slack to illegals whatsoever. It doesn't make them eligible for guest worker status, nor does it give any kind of tacit approval of their presence here.
Most freepers are opposed to guest workers.
The impression I've gotten is that there are a few FReepers who have always disliked GWBush and are simply using this issue on which to attack him.
If it wasn't this issue it would be another one.
Sorry, but if you want to defend Bush's actions, you're going to have to actually defend them, instead of hiding behind Bush's name.
You pretty well nailed it in #34.
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