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Radicalism makes way to skepticism at London mosque
Yahoo & AFP ^ | 28 August 2005

Posted on 08/28/2005 4:42:43 AM PDT by M203

Radicalism makes way to skepticism at London mosque

LONDON (AFP) - Invocations of radical Islam no longer resonate in Finsbury Park mosque as it puts its militant past -- including its links with the September 11 attacks in the United States in 2001 -- behind it.

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"A new beginning for the mosque," says a banner that hangs over the doorway of the north London mosque, which Friday drew Muslims of all ages, backgrounds and dress.

But in the wake of the London bombings last month that killed 56 people, including four apparent Islamist suicide bombers, there is a degree of skepticism over the government's attempts to clamp down on radicalism.

Once the lair of hook-handed cleric Abu Hamza, the mosque -- whose more notorious worshippers have included "shoe bomber" Richard Reid and Zacarias Moussaoui, the only person charged in the United States in connection with September 11 -- reopened under new administration in February.

Some 500 attend the mosque on average, mostly Muslims of Somalian, north African, Bangladeshi and Pakistani background, said Mustafa al-Mansur, the mosque's spokesman, who is himself from Bangladesh.

"There are two types of people. There are people who stopped coming because of the previous management because they didn't feel safe or comfortable, and there are people who didn't care," he told AFP.

"We don't see any recognizable faces any more," he added. "Since Abu Hamza left, the mosque was closed for several months. When Abu Hamza left there was a sigh of relief... Even some Abu Hamza supporters thanked us."

Egyptian-born Abu Hamza was detained by the British authorities in May 2004 on a US demand for his extradition to face charges of aiding Al-Qaeda and setting up an alleged terrorist training camp in Oregon state.

He had already lost his grip on the mosque, in January 2003, when police raided the premises, leaving him to preach on the sidewalk. He denies involvement in terrorism; his lieutenants have slipped out of sight.

In his day, Finsbury Park mosque saw a number of would-be terrorist suspects pass through its doors, including Reid, Moussaoui -- once branded the 20th September 11 hijacker -- and Djamel Beghal, convicted in France for plotting to attack US interests in 2002.

This past Friday a Pakistani imam, Souhaib Hassan, preached to his fellow Muslims in English -- seasoned with quotations in Arabic -- on morality and the qualities one needs in order to marry in the Islamic faith.

"The mosque does not set an agenda for Friday prayers (but) we try to make sure that whoever we bring here to speak respects certain boundaries," Mansur explained.

"I think Muslims can police themselves within their religious practice," he added, criticising what he called "draconian rules" set out by Prime Minister Tony Blair in the wake of the London bombings.

Those measures notably include deportation of foreign-born Muslims deemed to be sympathetic to terrorism.

Outside the mosque Friday, two members of the Islamist party Hizb-ut-Tahrir collected signatures on a petition to protest the government's measures and Blair's intended ban on their movement.

"Tony Blair has made himself a laughing stock," said Mansur of the prime minister who was already unpopular among many Muslims in Britain for having sided with the US invasion of Iraq in 2003.

"He is the new sheikh for the Muslims. You will hear names like 'mufti Blair' or 'sheikh Blair'."

Mansur cast doubt on the effectiveness of Blair's strategy, saying that if Muslims are "radicalising", it is not because of people hearing fiery sermons, "but because of what they see in the media".

"Muslims will sympathize with other Muslims in the world. They look for a channel to vent their anger."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: inquisitionneeded; londonattacked; radicalislam; runthemout; ukmuslims

1 posted on 08/28/2005 4:42:43 AM PDT by M203
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To: M203
"Muslims will sympathize with other Muslims in the world. They look for a channel to vent their anger."

Deport today!

2 posted on 08/28/2005 4:45:57 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: M203

Interesting. Fourteen-hundred years of "kill the infidels" has been abandoned (overnight) for the touchy/feely approach.

Of course there are many liberals who will undoubtedly believe this.


3 posted on 08/28/2005 5:00:28 AM PDT by Grateful One (`)
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To: Grateful One

They hate the West. Why are they here ?


4 posted on 08/28/2005 5:06:39 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: M203

They didn't give a crap about who was indoctrinating terrorism into the minds of muslims beforee, and it sounds as if they had nothing to do with his leaving. It is more of a complicit agreement with the terrorists crimes than the will of these bastards to promote peace.


5 posted on 08/28/2005 5:07:09 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

They are here to conquer.


6 posted on 08/28/2005 5:11:40 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Hey Senator! Leave those kids alone!)
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To: M203

New make-up has little effect on the heart (or actions) of a whore.


7 posted on 08/28/2005 5:19:12 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (American by birth but a Zionist by logical interpretation of history.)
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To: thoughtomator
They are here to conquer.


8 posted on 08/28/2005 5:26:28 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: M203
"Tony Blair has made himself a laughing stock,"

...then, why are you crying?

9 posted on 08/28/2005 5:59:01 AM PDT by Migraine
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To: M203
But in the wake of the London bombings last month that killed 56 people, including four apparent Islamist suicide bombers,

I stopped reading at that point as the journalist implies that the bombers were equally innocent.

Garbage.
10 posted on 08/28/2005 6:00:12 AM PDT by Thoro (Then an accidental overdose of gamma radiation alters his body chemistry....)
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To: Thoro

" I stopped reading at that point as the journalist implies that the bombers were equally innocent."

Can't really see how. It says that the stated death toll of 56 includes the bombers, doesn't really imply anything.


11 posted on 08/28/2005 6:10:14 AM PDT by Canard
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To: Canard
Including the insects that committed these barbaric acts rubs me the wrong way as well.
12 posted on 08/28/2005 7:10:00 AM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: M203
""Muslims will sympathize with other Muslims in the world. They look for a channel to vent their anger."

Since you muzzy chiggers hate the West so much, why don't you just detach and return to the islamic paradise from whence you came?

13 posted on 08/28/2005 7:13:57 AM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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"Muslims will sympathize with other Muslims in the world. They look for a channel to vent their anger."

Maybe they should consider sympathizing with Britons.

14 posted on 08/28/2005 7:17:10 AM PDT by B Knotts
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"They look for a channel to vent their anger."

These "channels" usually involve the use of high explosives and rusty kitchen knives. Get rid of them all NOW!

15 posted on 08/28/2005 7:18:35 AM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

They hate the West. Why are they here?

Only one answer to this most logical question. To become members of Hillary's "village". (sarc)


16 posted on 08/28/2005 8:19:17 AM PDT by Grateful One (`)
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