Posted on 08/27/2005 9:28:07 PM PDT by Crackingham
Thanks for the chuckle, IOTN.
I'm not sure when Adam and Eve lived, but I'm beginning to doubt that dinosaurs ever existed.
Anybody can find a bunch of bones and put them together and pronounce them a blender or a Buick.
Do not be deterred by the fact that no two of them can agree on what it is you have to believe.
Got to start in Genesis 1:1 the rest of the books tell the story of ONE man his generations that lead to Christ.
Evolution does not show the GOOD of what was created in Genesis it must mix together the knowledge of good and evil and come up with another way, and some have the blindness to say it fits with their belief because the OLD is not literal.
Please do not come back and accuse me of talking about literal 24 hour days else I can rightfully accuse you of bearing false witness.
That quote about a book being God is faintly reminiscent of what another group of literalists believes. Are we to not touch the Bible unless we wear gloves, too?
Say what you want, but to me the Bible isn't God anymore than the koran is. God is God, the Bible is a book. And amazing how you can keep sliming the faith of millions of Christians who happen to accept the teaching of The Vicar of Christ. Would 'twere that we all had your insight into the Bible.
Newsflash, Sparky....the Catholic Church has a 2000 year history of knowing the Bible and helping people understand it. Keep talking down to other Christians and you might find you'll create more atheists than believers. And as for church doctrines, literalism is a doctrine in itself, Chuckles, or hadn't you caught that little factoid?
You have no idea what my beliefs are, but you can rag on my church and what you think it teaches? Who gave you that authority? Who made you final arbiter of what is or is not Christianity?
Take your snide remarks about my Pope and place them somewhere the Sun will not find. If you are supposed to represent Protestant Christianity, then may God have mercy upon you. I seem to recall it was Jesus who said "Judge not, lest ye be judged," and Spanky, you're more judgmental than the Pharisees were.
I'll light a candle for your soul at St. Mary's....and say a prayer that you can understand what Christ was about. I'll also pray that your bigotry against non-literalists will be healed and you will have some peace in your heart.
Whoa, who's getting hissy here, Mister? I'm a non-Christian who has the utmost love and respect for the Bible, but not your interpretation of it. If you want to believe two people were magically dropped into Paradise, fully grown and formed, that is your business. I don't buy it, and if that means I'm going to Hell, I'll have lots of good company.
Time may be in the plan for us; but, that doesn't mean time is a property God is subject to. You have to understand that as per Einstein, space, time and energy are all tied together. You can't have any of the three without the others. If God created everything, then time is included therein. If he created time, then he pre-existed time. That means he lives in/occupies eternity in a very real sense. You are trying to impose upon God your understanding of the world you see and understand. Think outside the box.
In other words, nothing but opinions. Right. I repeat my prior question.
Evolution is a LIE, pray about that one while you are at it.
The candle was lit. I said a Hail Mary for you. I think you need the love of the Blessed Mother to give your soul peace.
I said a prayer for you as well, I prayed that HIS will be done and to give me understanding, guidance, and patience.
You know, the Bible is not a science book, but it is a book that explains where creation came from, and how we fit in all of this. Do you have these answers? You think you might, because of science, but science does not have all these answers. Man has tried to devise many theories and come up with answers, but they all fall short. Where is all of this scientific evidence you have to back up your assertions? You keep speaking about these, but I see no proof. You are like a lot of people who like to spew forth the same old tired lines, with no evidence backing up what you are saying. You must think that if you say it enough, maybe it will become the truth. You come with statements/theories that other men have devised, created, fabricated over the years, but I am not seeing any of the hard irrefutable facts, that you like to speak about. As far as using the Bible to prove the Bible, I have not tried to do this. And your accusation I have done this is wrong. All I have done is taken the time to read Bible as it is written, and I have read it and studied it, I come to conclusion that God is the author of it. So when I read that God created everything and He did it in six days, well, that sits well with me, so I choose to believe it. This is my faith.
My personal beliefs as to the nature of God and religion are completely immaterial to my position regarding humans and dinosaurs interacting. I base that position on scientific evidence, not my personal feelings and emotions.
You started this discussion because you do not want to consider the possiblilty, that evidence exists, showing humans and dinosaurs might have existed at the same time. I say to you the Bible says they did. That is why I find it easy to believe they did co-exist together. If I truly believe God is the author of the bible, and I do, then I have no trouble believing humans and dinosaurs co-existed. Can I give to you hard scientific evidence to prove that they both existed at the same time? Not to satisfy you, I'm sure, even though I pointed you to a website that would give you your scientific evidence. But you cannot accept what I have already given you, so why should I give you more? I did not see you refute that this website is scientifically wrong with what they present, proving to me and others that they are wrong in all that they are about? You can't use the argument: 'they are religious, therefore they must be wrong about science'. But truthfully, isn't your mind already made up with what you believe? You know, I confess, there is much discussion among many experts on this subject, with some saying that here is something that proves it was true, and there are others that are out there disagreeing. But let me ask you, do you have hard scientific evidence to prove they did not co-exist? The absence of any evidence, proving to you scientifically, that they co-existed together, does not prove beyond any reasonable doubt they did not co-exist together. In other words, just because the evidence is not scientifically and physically present, does not prove the argument one way or the other.(of course, my evidence is the Bible, which proves to me they did co-exist together, but you have ruled that out.) So your turn would be to give me the irrefutable evidence they did not? I'm waiting.
The ignorance in this debate is on the part of creationists. You folks are the ones who are going out of your way to ignore all of the evidence.
Again, I ask for your evidence that is was not possible that they co-existed together. You know, down throughout the years, man has come up with all kinds of theories or so-called evidence to refute the Bible and the story of creation, dinosaurs and such. But time and time again, these theories prove to be wrong, or the evidence is found to be interpreted inaccurately, and (gasp) even fabricated! I laugh at this, because this shows me that man cannot prove God wrong. Do you want to give it a shot?
I personally don't care what your religious beliefs might be. However, I am opposed to your conclusions regarding science. That's why I debate creationists.
I think you do care what my religious beliefs are, or you would not care to oppose my beliefs. I tell you this, if you think science has all the answers, you are dead wrong. I have a serious question for you, do you really believe science has all the answers? I await your interesting response.
I'm familiar with answers in genesis. Anyone who has been on the crevo threads for any amount of time will see that pretty much everything on that site has been discredited.
I do not have a clue what you mean by 'crevo threads', care to explain? I'm glad you are familiar with www.answeringenesis.com because it is a good site, that will give you answers to your questions. Let me ask you something, do you really care to know what the truth is regarding all we have discussed? I tell you that I do! If I am wrong, then most definitely, I want to know that, so I can be right. Tell me, can you honestly say the same thing? I know, I know, you think you are right, but if you were wrong, would you want to know the truth?
I'm Jewish, and most Jews that I know don't interpret the Bible literally.
I am Christian and the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil are NOT literal trees. So I would have to agree in part not all things are literal. These trees are used figuratively because one can study the horticulture of a tree, how it functions to grasp the point being made.
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