[dennisw]

FULL ARTICLE AT---->>>>

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/production/files/murray0905.html

[mmercier]

>> The premise that is supposed to undergird all of our social policy, the founders’ assertion of an unalienable right to liberty, is not a falsifiable hypothesis.

That is what sets America apart, we grant rewards based on ability and not a scientific notion. No test of the hypothesis that we all start off as equals is necessary or permitted. We allow every individual the opportunity to prove to all or self that they are a star or a twit..

Eugenics, dysgenics, Nazis come into my mind after reading the post.

Good post BTW, something to ponder.

[Rodney King]

I once had drinks with Charles Murray at the Amsterdam Cafe at 119th street and Amsterdam in NYC. It was right before the Bell Curve came out. As I recall, he ordered a double bourbon with a beer chaser. Anyway, he told a great story about how he became a semi-libertarian.

He had been a hippie, and was in the peace corps. He went to a remote area of Thailand, where society functioned very well, and he noticed that it did so without any government. It was that experience that led him to discount the view that government tentacles are neccessary to constantly try to improve society.

[Wicket]

Interesting. Thanks for posting. I'm a capable, self assured female. However, I have observed a lot of the differences in male and female capability in spatial types of math - and in figuring out which way is North . . .

So, although not politically correct to say so - as poor Mr. Summers found out - well, duh!!!

[Citizen Tom Paine]

No glass renders a man so true as his speech.

[Cicero]

An excellent article. Needless to say, government and academia will ignore it. But I like what he says in the first footnote. Men and women, blacks and whites and Asians, are different, but that doesn't mean that one group is better than another. An elephant is stronger than a man, but few men would want to be elephants. Each group has strengths, each has weaknesses--along a bell curve, of course.

[Zeppo]

But this is just one more of the ways in which science is demonstrating that men and women are really and truly different, a fact so obvious that only intellectuals could ever have thought otherwise.

A very memorable quote from an article that is overflowing with them...

[secretagent]

...a few minutes of conversation with individuals you meet will tell you much more about them than their group membership does.

Yes.

[Map Kernow]

Thanks very much indeed for this post. Like Mr. Murray, you have cojones. :)

[SteveMcKing]

We already knew all of that, but it's nice to hear a certified academic and a liberal (in the CLASSICAL sense) say it.

[Huber]

Ping!

[Shawndell Green]

"So Spearman’s basic conjecture was correct—the size of the black-white difference and g-loadings are correlated—and g represents a biologically grounded and highly heritable cognitive resource. When those two observations are put together, a number of characteristics of the black-white difference become predictable, correspond with phenomena we have observed in data, and give us reason to think that not much will change in the years to come."

The money quote.

Liberals will be playing the blame game for the foreseeable future.

[Shawndell Green]

"So Spearman’s basic conjecture was correct—the size of the black-white difference and g-loadings are correlated—and g represents a biologically grounded and highly heritable cognitive resource. When those two observations are put together, a number of characteristics of the black-white difference become predictable, correspond with phenomena we have observed in data, and give us reason to think that not much will change in the years to come."

The money quote.

Liberals will be playing the blame game for the foreseeable future.

[garbanzo]

I shift from “innate” to “intractable” to acknowledge how complex is the interaction of genes, their expression in behavior, and the environment. “Intractable” means that, whatever the precise partitioning of causation may be (we seldom know), policy interventions can only tweak the difference at the margins.

While I tend to think of IQ as respectable pseudoscience, I think this point is essentially correct. For example, why have women reached parity in fields like medicine and law, but not science?

[Fzob]

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[PatrickHenry]

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[Pharmboy]

Thanks for posting...he has cojones, eh?

One thing I would like to add: while group differences in traits, abilities and behaviors are good for predicting same in groups, they cannot be used to predict these factors in individuals based on their belonging to groups. Individuals go against type all the time, it's just that they're not in the majority within their group for the against-type trait they exhibit.

[Jim Noble]

Excellent catch!

A simple platform flows from the article: Stop the lying.

Maybe something will come of this.

[Crawdad]

I just finished "In the Name of Eugenics" this week. An interesting book.

[RATkiller]

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