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To: nightdriver
No, the argument is about science.

Evolution IS taught as a theory, thus it is called Darwin's theory of evolution through natural selection; not Darwin's FACT of evolution through natural selection. What is a fact is that the species that inhabit the earth have changed and are changing (mutation and selection)- and that there has been a change in what species inhabit the earth (extinction and speciation).

What isn't science is presupposing supernatural intervention by an unmeasurable and unknown and non replicable unobserved and unobservable force.

People who are religious but don't understand science, like Rush Limbaugh's less intelligent brother, think that Scientists have some sort of fetish for 'materialistic' explanations; never realizing that only material forces are observable, measurable and replicable- and that therefore only material explanations will EVER be science.

So it is Science and the nature of science that is the argument, not history.
92 posted on 08/26/2005 12:22:23 PM PDT by Mylo ("Those without a sword should sell their cloak and buy one" Jesus of Nazareth)
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To: Mylo
"So it is Science and the nature of science that is the argument, not history."

It might be more plausible if there was a cogent scientific explanation for the forces of speciation and just how they re-order the composite parts of the DNA molecule to change to different, fully functional organisms.

But they don't do that.

The effect is that it takes more faith to believe the plausibility of evolution than it does for creation.

93 posted on 08/26/2005 12:35:21 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: Mylo; nightdriver
What isn't science is presupposing supernatural intervention by an unmeasurable and unknown and non replicable unobserved and unobservable force.

Why does it have to be supernatural? Could it be a force which drives life that is both intelligent and purposeful and still be a natural force like gravity?

A good example of the problem with the idea of random mutation is the killer ant armies in Africa, which have a king and queen and highly organized and structured existence including their child rearing, nomadic existence and the chemical language they communicate with each other with. This highly sophisticated species simply could not have come into existence through random mutation and natural selection and have such a sophisticated social structure.

Everything that is alive is has a purpose and there must be some force out there that opposes the natural tendency for entropy and provides direction and intelligence as well. Science will eventually discover what this force is, but it doesn't appear like it will be very soon.
121 posted on 08/26/2005 2:04:30 PM PDT by microgood
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