A commment on another thread got me worked up. I composed this in response, but since I put so much work into it, I thought it deserved it's own thread.
1 posted on
08/25/2005 11:00:49 PM PDT by
Ronin
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To: Ronin
Domo Arigato, Ronin!
Suicide freaks like the Islamo-nuts out there have NO honor.
I willnever refer to those animals with the word "kamikaze" again.
2 posted on
08/25/2005 11:05:48 PM PDT by
hoagy62
(Revolution is now the only option....)
To: Ronin
The kamikaze never attacked civilians. Never. The notion of a Japanese pilot prepared to sacrifice his life against an awesome and unstoppable fleet who deliberately turned and attacked a crowd of defenseless women and children at a market is simply unthinkable, and that one would have been disowned by his fellows as a man of no honor whatever.
There is, or used to be, a sense of honor in Islam as well, or so the stories of Saladin tell us. What it has become in the hands of its current keepers is a pure, unadulterated horror that shames human existence. It will lose because it has no honor.
To: Ronin
Whatever the reason for blowing up a schoolyard full of kids , I hope only the very worst in return for whoever does it.
4 posted on
08/25/2005 11:11:40 PM PDT by
Nateman
(Gitmo torture? I'd make sure they'd get mo!)
To: Ronin
There needs to be a stop put to the Islamics claim that they worship the same God as Jews and Christians. Islamics are Satan worshipers, plain and simple. Why this abomination, this cult of death, is treated with respect by our leaders or anyone else is beyond the pale.
To: Ronin
Don't forget the fact that the Kamikaze planes only had enough gas for a one way trip !
I knew a Kamikaze pilot for 10 years and he said they had no choice because their family got food when they were in Kamikaze training and the Gov't promised to take care of their families after they gave their last Kamikaze run !
He was lucky the war ended before his last flight !
To: Ronin; maikeru; Dr. Marten; Eric in the Ozarks; Al Gator; snowsislander; sushiman; ...
Death before dishonor. Suicide rather than surrender was very common in Japan before and after the failed Mongol invasion in 1281. The
Heike Monogatari and
Taiheiki are rife with "death before dishonor" suicides when all was lost for near-defeated samurai and/or civilians. Oda Nobunaga took his own life when facing sure death, the 47 Ronin took theirs after avenging their fallen Lord's death, and General Nogi Maresuke took his life in 1912 right after the Meiji Emperor died. Such were the tales that emboldened (brainwashed?) the
kamikaze of WWII to do what the did - warrior to warrior.
Certainly nothing to compare to the cowardly tactics of Islamo-fascist terrorists.
DTogo's Japan * ping * (kono risuto ni hairitai ka detai wo shirasete kudasai : let me know if you want on or off this list):
7 posted on
08/25/2005 11:33:10 PM PDT by
DTogo
(U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
To: Ronin
Fair enough. No more "Islamokazi" from me.
10 posted on
08/25/2005 11:40:34 PM PDT by
thoughtomator
(Hey Senator! Leave those kids alone!)
To: Ronin
"I am not familiar enough with the Jewish faith to comment on their beliefs, but I am confident enough to surmise that no Jewish man or woman who blows themselves up in a crowded train or plane is expecting to go to Heaven.And he said "No man cometh unto the Father except throught Me".
Pretty much rules out anyone who denies him as God's Son and Savior.
13 posted on
08/25/2005 11:54:34 PM PDT by
Windsong
(FighterPilot)
To: Ronin
They have no honor!!
14 posted on
08/26/2005 12:08:22 AM PDT by
Loud Mime
(War is Mankind's way of ridding the world of the tyranny caused by liberalism)
To: Ronin
Even more contemptible is to blow up a bus full of children in order to get sex!
15 posted on
08/26/2005 12:09:10 AM PDT by
tkathy
(Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
To: Ronin
Desperation is the reason behind any suicide, whether it's an individual who's depressed, a wild-eyed Muslim whose 8th century life in a modern world is so miserable he prefers death to living, or a kamakaze pilot who knows his country is being badly defeated so in desperation volunteers to end his life to kill
many 'enemy'.
It's all sick stuff, and we ourselves are fast becoming enamored of death, with the legalization of abortion and euthenasia promising to make our own lives "better". I know I digress here, but we had better take a long look at this 'culture of death' phenomenon before we get trapped in it too.
Back to the point, the Islamic suicide squads only serve to prove they will continue to lose their 'jihad' against better people, whom they envy and hate. By-and-large, the Western world views life as a great gift from God and something very precious. I believe this is because we have been blessed by God. Conversely, Islamofacists view life as something cheap, which is a huge insult to God and something that pleases Satan, the "god' of Islam.
So let the desperate, self-abhoring Muslims try to terrorize the world, because they will end up uniting the world against them. Islam is already doomed, and all this bloody terrorism is merely the swan song from Hell.
17 posted on
08/26/2005 12:21:12 AM PDT by
TheCrusader
("The frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" -Pope Urban II, 1097AD)
To: Ronin
It is always politically correct to stipulate that Japan was the aggressor at the beginning of the war.Huh? It isn't just politcally correct, it's historically factual. You must have learned your history from the Hiroshima peace museum.
20 posted on
08/26/2005 1:20:17 AM PDT by
USNBandit
(sarcasm engaged at all times)
To: Ronin
I respect your passion but as respectfully take umbrage at the notion that any part of and/or actions of the forces of Human History's fourth most prolific mass murderer, Hirohito, guilty of serial aggressions against innocents, of countless scores of millions of rapes and tortures and horrific mutilations and of almost twenty years of mindless barbaritioes -- and guilty of the deaths of upwards of forty million innocents -- be described as "honorable."
What absolute bullshit.
Both the islamist homicide bombers and their 1930s-40s Japanese soul-mates were and are but manifestations of bloody evil.
21 posted on
08/26/2005 1:46:57 AM PDT by
Brian Allen
(All that is required to ensure the triumph [of evil] is that Good Men do nothing -- Edmund Burke)
To: Ronin
Good read, you are right on. Kamikaze's attacked military targets not innocent men,women and children.Amen.
24 posted on
08/26/2005 2:19:23 AM PDT by
gakrak
("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
To: Ronin
The only thing I have said in the past was the Kamikazes where a LOT more effective then these terrorists are.
25 posted on
08/26/2005 2:24:36 AM PDT by
Steve Van Doorn
(*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
To: Ronin
Damn! That's a nice article Ronin. Now you got me worked up and eager to write my own piece.
26 posted on
08/26/2005 2:38:54 AM PDT by
lefty-lie-spy
(Stay metal \m/("_")\m/)
To: Ronin
I'm sure all the Americans, Aussies, Brits, Filipino scouts, Dutch, etc, who live through the hell of Japanese POW camps, and who were brutalized, in part, by the Japs BECAUSE they surrendered, and didn't meet that wonderful Japanese sense of honor you're extolling, have a different view of it.
To me, flying a plane into anything, because you're ordered to, is no better than claiming "Befehl ist Befehl" before you shoot American priisoners in the Ardenne, Canadian prisoners at the Falaise Gap, British prisoners at Wormhout or Le Paradis, or Soviet prisoners almost anywhere.
The Japanese tossed babies onto bayonets, serially raped women in China and Manila [by Japanese Marines and Naval personnel under Navy command], burned civilians alive, beheaded prisoners, shot prisoners, forced Korean women into filed brothels, etc. Our POW mortality rate in Germany was 3-4% [less than their prisoners here]. The rate of POW deaths in Japanese custody was 37-40%. So take that warped concept of Japanese honor and stick it. Hai? They were no better than the SS, and as far as westerners are concerned, a lot worse than the German Army.
32 posted on
08/26/2005 4:41:58 AM PDT by
PzLdr
("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
To: Ronin
I don't call 'em Kamikaze; I call 'em Islamikazis -- they are certainly without honor, and without much else once they zot themselves.
34 posted on
08/26/2005 4:53:38 AM PDT by
mhking
(The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
To: Ronin
36 posted on
08/26/2005 5:05:21 AM PDT by
TaxRelief
(You have two choices: Convert to Islam or suppress Islam. There is no other option, Mrs. Sheehan.)
To: Ronin
Whatever honor resided in individual Japanese soldiers (and there was some) was never allowed to bloom until after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Paul Johnson in Modern Times has a good treatment on the phony "bushido" code of honor. Time for me to go re-read it.
That said, post-war Japan has been admirable in almost every sense, though some would call it on its apparent denial of much of its recent history. Imperial Japan was a far bigger threat to freedom than the unmitigatedly evil but bumbling, incompetent buffoons that call themselves "mujahideen."
38 posted on
08/26/2005 5:17:17 AM PDT by
Larry Lucido
(Why are we "freepers"? Shouldn't we be "freereps"? Are we dyslexic?)
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