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WWJA: Who would Jesus assassinate?
Townhall.com ^ | August 25, 2005 | Marvin Olasky (archive)

Posted on 08/25/2005 5:40:10 AM PDT by .cnI redruM

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To: normy
This statement is true, however Hitlers power was from God but he was judged and destroyed by the US, who I believe God used to take him down.

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That thinking is as dangerous as it is historically flawed. In terms of who did the truly heavy lifting against Hitler the commie Soviets come in first by a mile.

If a jihadist gets lucky and takes out Bush he will claim that God endorsed it and just used him to achieve His goals. You would have to agree if you really believe what you wrote.

41 posted on 08/25/2005 6:32:26 AM PDT by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: .cnI redruM

What more can you expect from a man who agreed with a statement that "it was the pornographers and homosexuals fault for 9/11" shortly after? The man's a nutcase.

I'm just glad he doesn't represent my Church.


42 posted on 08/25/2005 6:32:30 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: .cnI redruM

What a lot of people don't realize is that Christ is the god of the OT, the God of Israel, the great I AM. Christ was every bit as merciful during his ministry on Earth as he was to ancient Israel. I don't see the OT as fire and brimstone and the NT as peaceful and merciful.

Paul's comments about supporting and upholding your govt. were directed towards a specific group of people at a specific point in time. When a govt. fails to uphold the natural rights of its citizens, it's the peoples' right and duty to overthrow that government.

In addition, it is the right of all men to defend themselves. Chavez is a Castro wannabe and I wouldn't shed a tear of Chavez was taken out.


43 posted on 08/25/2005 6:33:21 AM PDT by foobeca
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To: .cnI redruM
And had we taken that approach to Russia during The Cuban Missile Crisis

What approach? Kennedy confronted Khrushchev over the missiles equipped with nuclear weapons the Soviets placed in Cuba. We blockaded Cuba and placed our troops on high alert throughout the world. The Soviets blinked and withdrew the missiles from that country. Firm and forceful action worked against the Communists then, just as our irresolute action in 1961 resulted in the failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion. The Kennedy brothers learned the lesson of weakness and equivocation in 1961, and acted firmly the next year against Khrushchev.

44 posted on 08/25/2005 6:35:19 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: foobeca
>>>In addition, it is the right of all men to defend themselves. Chavez is a Castro wannabe and I wouldn't shed a tear of Chavez was taken out.


I feel all three of your statements carry truth, but don't completely address the issue. Perhaps a better title for this piece would be "Who Would President Rodham Clinton Assassinate?"
45 posted on 08/25/2005 6:36:15 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Dear Pat: A Reverend represents God, not The Godfather)
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To: .cnI redruM
And I still haven't heard The Holy Flock of Rev. Pat explain why members of MoveOn.org shouldn't feel just as empowered by Pat's remarks to take leaders that they don't personally approve of before those leaders start wars.

That is like saying we shouldn't throw rapists in jail because we wouldn't like it if the rapist threw us in jail.

Do you believe it would have been wrong to take Hitler out before WW2 began? Would your objection look something like: "We wouldn't have liked it if Germany took out Roosevelt before the war so how could we justify taking out the leader of Germany?"

46 posted on 08/25/2005 6:37:27 AM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: Wallace T.
>>>What approach?


Hiring Sam Giancono and the mafia to whack Kruschev the way Kennedy tried to with Castro. That approach.
47 posted on 08/25/2005 6:37:46 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Dear Pat: A Reverend represents God, not The Godfather)
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To: .cnI redruM

the article title is blasphemous.


48 posted on 08/25/2005 6:40:26 AM PDT by hombre_sincero
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To: BikerNYC

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1514

http://www.guardian.co.uk/venezuela/story/0,12716,1419780,00.html

A couple of stories on the subject. Perhaps Chavez was making it up, but if Bush wasnt plotting he should have been , and he should have carried it out.


49 posted on 08/25/2005 6:40:27 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Jim_Curtis

>>>>Do you believe it would have been wrong to take Hitler out before WW2 began?


Given 20/20 hindsight and a time machine, sure, whack the bum. The problem is, we have no time machine to predict who other US Presidents would choose to take out in future administrations. The US remains a civilized nation because we limit the absolute power of our rulers. How does President Dean with an assassination squad sound to you? Laughable? That's what the average German would have said in 1931 if you asked him what he thought about the probability of Chancellor Hitler.


50 posted on 08/25/2005 6:41:46 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Dear Pat: A Reverend represents God, not The Godfather)
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To: sgtbono2002

Yes, Chavez was making it up, and, no, Bush should not have carried it out.


51 posted on 08/25/2005 6:42:23 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: Brilliant
Actually, God has the power and right to kill anyone he wants, anytime he wants, for any reason he wants, or for no reason at all.

That about sums it up. Were it not for undeserved kindness, none of us would be here.

52 posted on 08/25/2005 6:47:58 AM PDT by Freebird Forever (AMERICA FIRST !!!)
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To: .cnI redruM
Given 20/20 hindsight and a time machine, sure, whack the bum.

I take it you were opposed to Reagan's attempted "whacking" of Qaddafi?

53 posted on 08/25/2005 6:51:08 AM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: wideawake
Robertson's modus operandi appears to be to throw bombs to get the MSM to go into Joseph Goebbels mode and crank out unremitting 24-7 propaganda. Frankly, the MSM coverage has been so "over the top" relative to Pat Robertson's statements that it would have embarrassed Pravda and Izvestia in Stalin's heyday. Jesse Jackson, who in the 1980s had no problem in calling for the overthrow of the apartheid regime in South Africa, is outraged by Pat Robertson's remarks regarding the overthrow of the Marxist regime in Venezuela. John Kennedy, the idol of liberals for over 40 years, apparently had no problem in authorizing assassination attempts against Castro.

There has been an alliance between the international Left, including the remnants of Communism, and radical Islam, at least since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Even our domestic anti-Iraq War protests resemble those staged by leftists against the Vietnam War, with some of the same players, such as Joan Baez and Jane Fonda, crawling out of the woodwork to join the protests. The fact that Chavez is friendly to both Communist tyrants like Castro and the ayatollahs of Iran is clear evidence of this alliance.

The Marxist-radical Muslim alliance has gone unnoticed by the MSM and even by most conservatives. Robertson has performed a valuable service by highlighting the danger in our "near abroad" from this Castro wannabe.

54 posted on 08/25/2005 6:52:00 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Jim_Curtis
Actually, it wasn't a good idea. Neither was sending Marines to Lebanon and not allowing them to emplace aggressive rules of engagement to protect themselves. Ronald Reagan made mistakes, despite being an exceptional President.
55 posted on 08/25/2005 6:55:06 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Dear Pat: A Reverend represents God, not The Godfather)
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To: .cnI redruM
I understand your point and in a way it is a good one that we should all consider, but in the end it boils down to why the left is so very dangerous in this country.

What you are saying is that: Since we have very screwed-up and evil people like moveon.org who are a threat to get into power, we cannot do something good using good judgment of good and evil, because a leftist moveon.org type group may get into power one day and use bad judgment and do something evil.

This only points out why it is so necessary to empasize how important the righteous character of our leaders has always been. It is not just the economy, an evil pervert could inherit a good economy.

The Bible teaches us what is important in the leaders we elect.

Our leaders must be righteous men, able men. That is, they have to be righteous men who have great ability also. Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton and Howard Dean etc. miss the mark by a mile.

56 posted on 08/25/2005 6:58:43 AM PDT by Old Landmarks (No fear of man.)
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To: .cnI redruM
Actually, it wasn't a good idea

I was young at the time but I don't remember a lot of outrage over Reagan's attempted Qaddafi whacking back then, certainly none by conservatives.

With all of the apparent conservatives who are outraged by Robertson's comments, I guess Reagan couldn't carry out such an attack today or his own party would be trying to impeach him.

57 posted on 08/25/2005 7:03:44 AM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: Old Landmarks
>>>Our leaders must be righteous men, able men.

While I appreciate the manner in which you posted it. I respectfully disagree with your point. Part of the genius of Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, et al. is that they planned as if Aaron Burr would get elected. That is, they didn't give our Presidency a bunch of powers we wouldn't want an imbecile to wield unchecked.

I keep thinking about the remote, yet plausible Dean Administration with Secretary of State Cindy Sheehan, and I shake my head when it comes to The Executive Branch calling up a hit-man every time they don't like the ideals of other country's leaders.
58 posted on 08/25/2005 7:07:04 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Dear Pat: A Reverend represents God, not The Godfather)
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To: .cnI redruM
The only regrettable thing about hiring Sam Giancana and his "Outfit" to assassinate Castro is that their attempts did not succeed.

At the time of the Cuban missile crisis, the Communists had been entrenched in the Soviet Union for over 40 years. Domestic opposition, including post-World War II guerrilla warfare in the Baltic States and Ukraine, had been ruthlessly crushed well before 1962. Millions of regime opponents were killed in the Gulag under Lenin and Stalin. Those Russians and others who had fled Communism were in no position to take power over such a vast nation from their exile in places like Paris or New York. The Soviet Union was far more powerful than Cuba, and Communist rule was not dependent upon the charisma of one man. Assassinating Khrushchev would have only resulted in another Communist taking power, just as the assassination of Kennedy (or for that matter Lincoln, McKinley, or Garfield) did not cause our government to collapse.

Assassination is a tool that would have worked against the Cuban regime, but not against the Soviet dictatorship. I doubt anyone in a position of responsibility in the 1960s considered assassinating Khrushchev.

59 posted on 08/25/2005 7:07:53 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Wallace T.
>>>>>I doubt anyone in a position of responsibility in the 1960s considered assassinating Khrushchev

We are thankful that none of them did. Can we ascribe the same level of judgment to the potential cabinet selections of a possible President Rodham-Clinton?

I remember posting yesterday a thread about George Stephanopolous advocating that we whack Saddam Hussein in 1997. How well would we have been prepared for what Muqtada Al-Sadr and the Iranian Mullahs reaction to that vacuum without any surge of troops to the area before hand?

I feel very strongly that the Framers of The US Constitution limited Presidential Power for a reason.
60 posted on 08/25/2005 7:12:59 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Dear Pat: A Reverend represents God, not The Godfather)
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