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Free Republic | 8/24/05 | Self

Posted on 08/24/2005 6:58:33 AM PDT by austinite

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To: austinite
Who cares if the average income family can no longer afford the average home

That hardly makes any sense at all.

The purpose of a house is to live in. If people cannot live in it, then it has no value at all.

81 posted on 09/12/2005 7:25:59 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: austinite

As Greenspan has suggested, no basis in reality. A 2% rise in mortgage rates will squelch this "Real Estate" boom as fast a it began.


82 posted on 09/12/2005 7:35:00 AM PDT by Amish with an attitude (An armed society is a polite society)
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To: durasell

I am on the board of my co-op building and our oil has gone up 50% since last year.


83 posted on 09/12/2005 7:44:08 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: ByDesign
We have PLENTY of land. Ever fly across the country, and look out the window? We have vast tracks of empty land.

It's empty because nobody wants to live there (lousy climate, no water, etc). A glut of day-old hamburger won't do diddly to bring down the price of lobster.

84 posted on 09/12/2005 7:58:25 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: kabar
Housing values in DC will continue to rise along with those inside the Beltway. The further out you go, the cheaper the prices.

I agree mostly. The top of the market in Loudoun was pretty obvious back in June while at the same time the less expensive properties closer in are still selling like hotcakes. Where I disagree is with the gentrification thing. I lived in "gentrified" Jamaica Plain in Boston during the late 80's and it didn't take long to ungentrify after the "rental quality" RE market crashed (e.g. condos dropping 50%). Also there are a ton of rentals inside the beltway for those people just moving in or selling at the peak. The rent is generally a lot less than the interest payments on the same property without the high taxes.

85 posted on 09/12/2005 8:33:17 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: Amish with an attitude

The "boom" has already slowed. Houses remain on the market much longer than previously. As rates rise and folks are less secure about their economic futures, it will get worse.


86 posted on 09/12/2005 8:38:51 AM PDT by Spottys Spurs
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To: austinite
Housing will appreciate 10,15,20% a year, year in and year out- forever. Don't ever expect a correction. In just ten years the AVERAGE house will be well over $400,000, pricing completely out the average worker, which is a good thing in the long run for the invester class.

Buy a house if you can, actually buy 1,2,3 as many as you can!

There is now a rental explosion in my area in Socal. Fewer and fewer families can afford to buy houses.

87 posted on 09/12/2005 8:44:17 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: kabar

Market forces will prevail in the long run.


That's precisely what scares me.


88 posted on 09/12/2005 8:48:40 AM PDT by durasell
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To: Spottys Spurs

"it will get worse"

I agree, with the late entrants being the hardest hit.

The psychology present is similar to that of the dot.com craze. I have friends in California who purchased a multifamily property months back, taking a $1,440.00 negative hit per month on a variable loan with the notion that the market will continue up as it has.

The spread between mortgage payments and rents is going to be huge as the interest rates kick up. Renters are bound by wages, the old saying about blood out of a stone is appropriate.


89 posted on 09/12/2005 9:06:48 AM PDT by Amish with an attitude (An armed society is a polite society)
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To: palmer
I agree mostly. The top of the market in Loudoun was pretty obvious back in June while at the same time the less expensive properties closer in are still selling like hotcakes.

I live in McLean. The market remains hot and there is still a building boom to use what little land is left for residential units. Presuming the extenison of the Metro out to Dulles including Tysons' Corner, real estate vaules will continue to increase in the area, including Loudoun County.

Where I disagree is with the gentrification thing. I lived in "gentrified" Jamaica Plain in Boston during the late 80's and it didn't take long to ungentrify after the "rental quality" RE market crashed (e.g. condos dropping 50%).

I have lived in the area on and off since 1970. The gentrification of DC has been admittedly slow but inevitable. It has to do with money. Blacks are cashing in and moving out to Prince George's County to have better schools and less crime. DC's population declined about 6% from 1990 to 2000, but it is on the upswing now, but still less than 1990. The white and others population is increasing. According to the 2000 census, blacks make up about 60% of the population, down from the 65.8% in 1990 or about 50,000 less in 2000.

Also there are a ton of rentals inside the beltway for those people just moving in or selling at the peak. The rent is generally a lot less than the interest payments on the same property without the high taxes.

No doubt that as real estate prices go up, rentals will become more attractive. The DC area has always had a greater turnover than most cities in terms of people coming and going. USG employees (including military) move in and out of the area more frequently than the average and the changes wrought by politics causes turnover as well.

90 posted on 09/12/2005 9:09:54 AM PDT by kabar
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To: durasell

In the long run, real estate values will increase. There are very few places in this country where real estate is cheaper today than it was 30 years ago.


91 posted on 09/12/2005 9:12:55 AM PDT by kabar
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To: razoroccam

"And tulips. Don't forget tulips"

Good one! Most excellent!


92 posted on 09/12/2005 9:16:40 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: palmer
a storage facility is tied to real estate and the growth to an even larger extent. The first one we're building is secure in the location and the customer base nearby.

There are many developed plaves which could support a storage facility. Other locations do depend on growth. So it's a mixed answer.

93 posted on 09/12/2005 10:30:06 AM PDT by bigsigh
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To: irishjuggler
My comments were addressed at the bubble bursting. If I own a home as a rental in the low end of the market, I'm not worried about the bubble. The population keeps the rental market hopping.

Earlier I commented on a phenomonen I am seeing more of. Three incomes per house. Whether it's grandma or adult child, it helps make the payment.

94 posted on 09/12/2005 10:32:17 AM PDT by bigsigh
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To: austinite

No money down, and paying only the interest (if that) will boom any market. You'd have to be a BLITHERING idiot to think this will go up forever.


95 posted on 09/12/2005 10:39:21 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: kabar
There are very few places in this country where real estate is cheaper today than it was 30 years ago

Tell that to the Japanese.

96 posted on 09/12/2005 10:42:09 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Nonstatist

As far as I know, the Japanese didn't hold their property investments in the US for 30 years. Please be more specific.


97 posted on 09/12/2005 11:09:45 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Mercat

Holy crap, you're me! My wife and I have been doing this stuff and appear to have the same goals that you do. Except, neither of us is a lawyer.


98 posted on 09/12/2005 11:14:08 AM PDT by SwankyC (1st Bn 11th Marines Semper Fi)
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To: kabar
Housing prices in Japan have not recovered from the 1980's. There is nothing sacrosanct about real estate or the US housing market in particular.

Demand has been artificially hyped up thru easy money lending practices and speculation. Just like what happened in Japan.

99 posted on 09/12/2005 11:15:57 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: kabar
I live in McLean. The market remains hot and there is still a building boom to use what little land is left for residential units. Presuming the extenison of the Metro out to Dulles including Tysons' Corner, real estate vaules will continue to increase in the area, including Loudoun County.

I sold in Vienna, but too early (2002) because I thought prices were already too high then. So I have a long commute now, but my monthly payments of all types is about $400 or so. I disagree about Loudoun county, I thought there could be one more burst of buying with short supply to drive up prices some more, but now supply has swamped demand. Those 500 tract mansions are not going to be bought at their current prices since speculators have stopped buying and are now selling and the people in Herndon who want to trade up to a tract mansion are priced out.

100 posted on 09/12/2005 11:26:44 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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