[wideawake]

As I see you wouldn't recognize brilliant satire if it came up and slapped you in the face

You have an extremely low threshhold for what you consider "brilliance", apparently.

Show me the hypothesis for ID that is testable and falsifiable

Quite simple. ID hypothesizes that an irreducibly complex organ is not replicable through a random process of natural selection. Create such an organ in an organism which did not previously possess it in a lab through a randomized process and voila! You have tested ID and found that it can be falsified.

[weegee]

What is the name for the theory that a thousand monkeys typing randomly on typewriters could "create" one of the works of Shakespeare?

[spunkets]

Re:Show me the hypothesis for ID that is testable and falsifiable

"Quite simple. ID hypothesizes that an irreducibly complex organ is not replicable through a random process of natural selection. Create such an organ in an organism which did not previously possess it in a lab through a randomized process and voila! You have tested ID and found that it can be falsified.

Wrong. The theory of evolution already falsified your conjecture, before it was announced.

Your irreducible complexity is hand waiving, accompanied by simplistic and erroneous models. The IC model itself is junk that results in a calculation that says the model itself is junk.

"The designer is not necessarily God according to the Judaeo-Christian definition, for example."

Who then?

[steve-b]

ID hypothesizes that an irreducibly complex organ....

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Sorry; you don't get to introduce a term that makes your claim true by definition. Try again.

[Quick1]

Create such an organ in an organism which did not previously possess it in a lab through a randomized process and voila! You have tested ID and found that it can be falsified.

An organism which previously does not have eyes develops a random mutation that allows it to tell the difference between light and dark. Voila! It now has eyes, and those eyes can evolve over time.

Wow, that was easy. No wonder IDers hardly ever present their hypothesis.

[Dimensio]

ID hypothesizes that an irreducibly complex organ is not replicable through a random process of natural selection. Create such an organ in an organism which did not previously possess it in a lab through a randomized process and voila! You have tested ID and found that it can be falsified.

So you're saying that if an organ could come about through natural selection, then it could not possibly have been designed? What is the logical basis for that assertion?

[curiosity]

Quite simple. ID hypothesizes that an irreducibly complex organ is not replicable through a random process of natural selection. Create such an organ in an organism which did not previously possess it in a lab through a randomized process and voila! You have tested ID and found that it can be falsified.

As Kenneth Miller points out, ID advocates make two seperate claims, one of which is falsifiable, and the other of which isn't:

1) Irreducibly complex biochemical systems cannot have evolved through Darwinian mechanism. This claim is falsifiable, and indeed has been falsified. I'll get back to that.

2) Irreducibly complex biochemical systems were directly designed by an intelligent agent. This claim is not falsifiable.

ID is not science because it makes non-falsifiable claim #2 and the falsifiable claim it has made have been falsified, yet its advocates deny it.

How has #1 been falsified? Well, as Miller points out in his book, the biochemical system certain bacteria use to metabolize lactose is irreducibly complex. Scientists deleted the gene that produces the proteins in the process. Then they subjected the bacteria to selection pressure for lactose metabolisis, and low and behold, after several generations, the bacteria evolved a new, irreducibly complex biochemical process to metabolize lactose.

http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/DI/AcidTest.html

In your initial post, you demanded that scientists evolve a new, irreducibly complex organ in the lab. Well, that's demanding the impossible, for whole organs take thousands of years to evolve. However, we can observe how an irreducibly complex organ, the mammalian ear, evolved in history.

The mammalian ear has three bones, each of which it needs to work. Yet it evolved from the reptilian ear, which has only one bone. Paleantologists have a step-by-step sequence of how it evolved, by appropriating parts from the Reptilian jaw. Falsification #2.