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To: ravingnutter; ovrtaxt; doug from upland; SJackson; Peach; backhoe
Thanks for all the links.

I haven't had time to read trough them all, but I couldn't find this (Abu Nidal, September 11 and Saddam The terrorist network may be closer knit than we think) in your list.

It provides a link not between Iraq and Atta, but between Ziad Jarrah (plane 4 hijacker), his great uncle, and Iraq. According to the article and articles published in the German magazine Der Spiegel the elder Jarrah was run by the East German secret police, STASI.

The East Germans had a lot of connections both with Iraq and Arab/Islamic terror organizations. Here are few quotations from "The Stasi Files" by Anthony Glees published by Simon & Schuster, 2003 (A Glees is a professor of Contemporary History, and one of the last researchers to gain access to the Stasi archives in Berlin before the German government reclassified key parts of it as secret in 2002):

p 215: It is important to recall that in a key interview in Die Welt in April 1990, a leading member of the East German regime, Alexander Schalk-Golodowski, admitted that the GDR had channeled arms to the Middle East to the tune of DM 650 million by 1989 (19). The chief recipient of these weapons had been groups in Iraq, Jordan and Egypt [.......] He added that Stasi had used a "technical engineering company" to conceal the GDR's lethal trade in arms.

Then follows an interesting discussion about two former Stasi agents, Erich Schwager and Edgar Uher, where the former was an expert in chemical and radiation protection - in other words WMD "and his knowledge of chemical weaponry, strongly suggest that he was at the time deeply involved in the secret arms trade, selling East German weapons to Arab and Latin American terrorist groups from his London base and possibly to the IRA as well." (p. 216)

Today Schwager and Uher are involved with two companies MZ-B (sales of motorcycle parts) and Moha who undertakes "industrial engineering" and was established 1986 by a MK Hadeed and is based in Amman, Jordan.

Professor Glees is careful to point out that there is nothing to indicate that the company based in the Middle East has anything to do with Schwager's previous activities, however he finds it "breathtaking that, at the time of writing, Schwager had not been called to account for his activities in the 1980s. (p. 217)

Further on p 217: The Stasi involvement with terrorism, in particular Middle Eastern and Islamic terrorism, was not known about before February 1990. (23) [.......] By June 1990 the arrest of Susanne Albrecht, who had murdered the banker Jûrgen Ponto, showed an even more chilling aspect of the Stasi's links with international terrorism: in 1977 the Stasi had arranged for her to find refuge in South Yemen.

(I will come back to first statement in this paragraph since this has bearing on the Able Danger affair, I believe.)

p. 219: Further evidence of the Stasi's interest in promoting Arab terrorism, especially in Iraq and the Lebanon, emerged from a further 1990 interview. (26).

References

19: Gesamtdeutsches Institut/Bundesanstalt für gesamtdeutsches Aufgaben, Dokumentation, vol. 3, p.37.

23: Ibid. vol 4, pp. 24-9.

26: Ibid. vol 4, pp. 65-8.

Some points to make:

I have not been able to find any link between Schwager / Uher and Jarrah or MK Hadeed. However, Assem Omar Jarrah's activities are interesting, and the suspicions are certainly strengthened in the light of Schalk-Golodowski's statement regarding GDR's arms trade and how it was concealed. Not data mining, but there seems to be a pattern.

Then I would like to take issue with the statement that Stasi's involvement with terrorism was not known before 1990. Some people did know it. Claire Sterling wrote a book about in 1981, and Bill Casey and the people he brought with him to the CIA did know about it. However, others also at the CIA had made a career of denying this connection, and of course the State Department was totally opposed to any link between the terror organizations and Soviet Russia and its allies.

I have posted a number of posts on FR both re Bill Casey and Sterling's "Terror Network" and also Senator D'Amato quoting Ms Sterling in the US Senate regarding the assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II, another issue where Bill Casey and "the old CIA" had very different views.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/congress/1991_cr/s911105-gates2.htm

Of course after the fall of the Berlin wall and all that followed it has been shown conclusively that Casey / Sterling were right and the naysayers were wrong. However, these facts have come to earth slowly, slowly and the whole issue about the Soviet Union's use of terror to destabilize the West is now thought of as an academic, historical question. Thus, many people (politicians, academics, operatives within the intelligence community) have never seen the need to reassess their views on things.

And that is why the Iraq / Al Queda connection is so dangerous. And it may become even worse if it is shown that not only is it a "Muslim thing" but that it can also be traced back to the non-acknowledged activities by the Soviet Union and its proxies.

Definitely, the evidence regarding the Gorelick wall points to a cover up to protect the Clinton's from unwarranted investigations, but I would like to make the point that this is not the only agenda that was (and is) played out. There are many careers riding on the outcome of this affair. (And not only careers, but the balance between State and DOD.)

I pointed out in a one of my first comments on the Able Danger affair that this is dangerous ground and it appears that people have already lost their positions (or more) due to the conflict regarding the Iraq - al Quaeda connection.

(See this link and post #68 and compare with this:

Pentagon challenges Rockefeller on Feith hit

Fury over Pentagon cell that briefed White House on Iraq's 'imaginary' al-Qaeda links

All I can say is cudos to LtCol Schaffer for joining this battle which is promising to be long and bloody.

117 posted on 08/24/2005 11:01:39 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy
"Definitely, the evidence regarding the Gorelick wall points to a cover up to protect the Clinton's from unwarranted investigations, but I would like to make the point that this is not the only agenda that was (and is) played out. There are many careers riding on the outcome of this affair. (And not only careers, but the balance between State and DOD.)"

Yes, I certainly agree and have also argued on other threads that there are loads and loads of careerists in State, CIA, and other intel agencies (and Clintonlite political appointees who are holdovers or who burrowed into civil service positions) who desperately want a lot of failures of the past decade to be covered up and/or forgotten. The vicious public salvos from Joe Wilson, Richard Clarke et al are just the most visible aspect of the war that's going on within both government and media -- a war for control of past, present and future. The people like Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame who remain burrowed into the bureaucracies cannot allow Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Goss to succeed.... no matter what the cost to accurate intel or our national security, there are many many lib dinosaurs who are trying to have the last word. They must be vanquished NOW.
118 posted on 08/24/2005 11:30:22 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Most excellent research, ScaniaBoy. Just excellent.


122 posted on 08/25/2005 7:28:32 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: ScaniaBoy; ovrtaxt
one of the last researchers to gain access to the Stasi archives in Berlin before the German government reclassified key parts of it as secret in 2002

This would have been just prior to when the US and UK went to the UN Security Council for authorization to prosecute all of the resolutions that Saddam had ignored.

We suspected at the time that Germany, France and Russia were violating UN sanctions against Iraq. Later, when the oil-for-food scandal broke, we found out that it was even more corruption than we originally thought.

I for one would be interested in finding out just how deep into aiding the Islamofascists STASI (and probably the KGB) were and what cooperation continued between former agents after the fall of the Iron Curtain. Some of the diehard communists have harbored deep resentment about the collapse of the Soviet Bloc, it is not out of the realm of possibility that they would help al Qaida and other terrorists simply to get revenge against the US.

144 posted on 08/25/2005 7:20:39 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: ScaniaBoy

ping


146 posted on 08/25/2005 7:32:09 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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