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Some Thoughts on Casualties in Times of War and Peace
Powerline ^ | August 23, 2005 | John Hindraker

Posted on 08/24/2005 3:08:24 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog

It is universally acknowledged that public support for the Iraq war is eroding. Some of the polls supporting this claim are faulty because they are based on obviously misleading internal data, but the basic point cannot be denied: many Americans, possibly even a majority, have turned against the war.

This should hardly be a surprise. On the contrary, how could it be otherwise? News reporting on the war consists almost entirely of itemizing casualties. Headlines say: "Two Marines killed by roadside bomb." Rarely do the accompanying stories--let alone the headlines that are all that most people read--explain where the Marines were going, or why; what strategic objective they and their comrades were pursuing, and how successful they were in achieving it; or how many terrorists were also killed. For Americans who do not seek out alternative news sources like this one, the war in Iraq is little but a succession of American casualties. The wonder is that so many Americans do, nevertheless, support it.

The sins of the news media in reporting on Iraq are mainly sins of omission. Not only do news outlets generally fail to report the progress that is being made, and often fail to put military operations into any kind of tactical or strategic perspective, they assiduously avoid talking about the overarching strategic reason for our involvement there: the Bush administration's conviction that the only way to solve the problem of Islamic terrorism, long term, is to help liberate the Arab countries so that their peoples' energies will be channelled into the peaceful pursuits of free enterprise and democracy, rather than into bizarre ideologies and terrorism. Partly this omission is due to laziness or incomprehension, but I think it is mostly attributable to the fact that if the media acknowledged that reforming the Arab world, in order to drain the terrorist swamp, has always been the principal purpose of the Iraq war, it would take the sting out of their "No large stockpiles of WMDs!" theme.

One wonders how past wars could have been fought if news reporting had consisted almost entirely of a recitation of casualties. The D-Day invasion was one of the greatest organizational feats ever achieved by human beings, and one of the most successful. But what if the only news Americans had gotten about the invasion was that 2,500 allied soldiers died that day, with no discussion of whether the invasion was a success or a failure, and no acknowledgement of the huge strategic stakes that were involved? Or what if such news coverage had continued, day by day, through the entire Battle of Normandy, with Americans having no idea whether the battle was being won or lost, but knowing only that 54,000 Allied troops had been killed by the Germans?

How about the Battle of Midway, one of the most one-sided and strategically significant battles of world history? What if there had been no "triumphalism"--that dreaded word--in the American media's reporting on the battle, and Americans had learned only that 307 Americans died--never mind that the Japanese lost more than ten times that many--without being told the decisive significance of the engagement?

Or take Iwo Jima, the iconic Marine Corps battle. If Americans knew only that nearly 7,000 Marines lost their lives there, with no context, no strategy, and only sporadic acknowledgement of the heroism that accompanied those thousands of deaths, would the American people have continued the virtually unanimous support for our country, our soldiers and our government that characterized World War II?

We are conducting an experiment never before seen, as far as I know, in the history of the human race. We are trying to fight a war under the auspices of an establishment that is determined--to put the most charitable face on it--to emphasize American casualties over all other information about the war.

Sometimes it becomes necessary to state the obvious: being a soldier is a dangerous thing. This is why we honor our service members' courage. For a soldier, sailor or Marine, "courage" isn't an easily-abused abstraction--"it took a lot of courage to vote against the farm bill"--it's a requirement of the job.

Even in peacetime. The media's breathless tabulation of casualties in Iraq--now, over 1,800 deaths--is generally devoid of context. Here's some context: between 1983 and 1996, 18,006 American military personnel died accidentally in the service of their country. That death rate of 1,286 per year exceeds the rate of combat deaths in Iraq by a ratio of nearly two to one.

That's right: all through the years when hardly anyone was paying attention, soldiers, sailors and Marines were dying in accidents, training and otherwise, at nearly twice the rate of combat deaths in Iraq from the start of the war in 2003 to the present. Somehow, though, when there was no political hay to be made, I don't recall any great outcry, or gleeful reporting, or erecting of crosses in the President's home town. In fact, I'll offer a free six-pack to the first person who can find evidence that any liberal expressed concern--any concern--about the 18,006 American service members who died accidentally in service of their country from 1983 to 1996.

The point? Being a soldier is not safe, and never will be. Driving in my car this afternoon, I heard a mainstream media reporter say that around 2,000 service men and women have died in Afghanistan and Iraq "on President Bush's watch." As though the job of the Commander in Chief were to make the jobs of our soldiers safe. They're not safe, and they never will be safe, in peacetime, let alone wartime.

What is the President's responsibility? To expend our most precious resources only when necessary, in service of the national interest. We would all prefer that our soldiers never be required to fight. Everyone--most of all, every politician--much prefers peace to war. But when our enemies fly airplanes into our skyscrapers; attack the nerve center of our armed forces; bomb our embassies; scheme to blow up our commercial airliners; try to assassinate our former President; do their best to shoot down our military aircraft; murder our citizens; assassinate our diplomats overseas; and attack our naval vessels--well, then, the time has come to fight. And when the time comes to fight, our military personnel are ready. They don't ask to be preserved from all danger. They know their job is dangerous; they knew that when they signed up. They are prepared to face the risk, on our behalf. All they ask is to be allowed to win.

It is, I think, a reasonable request. It's the least that we--all Americans, including reporters and editors--can do.


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: hindraker
More accurate depiction of the extent of the treason of the MSM
1 posted on 08/24/2005 3:08:25 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

"between 1983 and 1996, 18,006 American military personnel died accidentally in the service of their country. That death rate of 1,286 per year exceeds the rate of combat deaths in Iraq by a ratio of nearly two to one."

Shocking!!!! Why haven't OSHA and the trial lawyers done something about this? /sarcasm


2 posted on 08/24/2005 3:24:27 AM PDT by Uncle Ike
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To: Uncle Ike
"Shocking!!!! Why haven't OSHA and the trial lawyers done something about this? /sarcasm"

SHHHH! You don't want to give the leftists ideas--I'm sure they can find some willing lawyer accomplices to file the necessary lawsuit.

3 posted on 08/24/2005 3:29:27 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Wonder Warthog
News reporting on the war consists almost entirely of itemizing casualties. Headlines say: "Two Marines killed by roadside bomb." Rarely do the accompanying stories--let alone the headlines that are all that most people read--explain where the Marines were going, or why; what strategic objective they and their comrades were pursuing, and how successful they were in achieving it; or how many terrorists were also killed.

Just following in the footsteps of their Great Icon, Walter Cronkite – remember him? He was North Vietnam’s leading propagandist. Today most of our news journalists are actively supporting the Jihadists – because they think that is what they have to do to be deemed “Great” by their peers.
4 posted on 08/24/2005 3:31:35 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Uncle Ike

I would have to do some digging but I think that figure includes both on and off duty deaths. All of them Line of Duty except maybe the DUI related.

If they would sift out just the training deaths that number would still shock people. Typically those deaths only make the local news. I've known some who got a scant one paragraph mention in section B.


5 posted on 08/24/2005 3:36:24 AM PDT by PeteB570
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To: Wonder Warthog
The world's economy has become so complex and so inter-twined that we simply can't allow a bunch of barbarian savages with a grudge because they've been left behind in the economic race to sabotage the whole system.

The reason the Lefties are rooting for the barbarian savages is because they really do want them to win, not because they like barbarian savages, but because they hate an economic system that promises to elevate the world's standard of living. In their dinosaur brained economic thinking, only the tender clutches of a world wide socialist system can create prosperity, despite universal evidence that everywhere it's been tried it's only brought poverty and repression.

The bottom line here is we have to defeat the barbarian savages militarily and completely, once and for all, and then we have to defeat the socialist dinosaurs politically. If we don't, the future is black for the entire world. There, I finally said it.

6 posted on 08/24/2005 3:38:19 AM PDT by Hardastarboard
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To: Uncle Ike
18,006 American service members who died accidentally in service of their country from 1983 to 1996.

I knew several of them. I retired in 1986, but prior to that every large exercise had casualties – usually field generator mechanics. Occasionally I would read of soldiers run over by tracked vehicles at night on exercises – because they mistakenly choose to sleep on clear ground (picking their spot after dark) rather than between the trees. Clear ground often turned out to be tank trails. Normal operations were also hazardous. We lost a seaman because a tugboat’s tow cable fouled during a storm near the Azores. I’ve seen serious injuries from parting lines and falls during typhoons. The flight deck of an aircraft carrier is the most dangerous place in the world to work.
But there is a difference – our “esteemed” media can’t use these deaths and injuries to make a political point.
7 posted on 08/24/2005 3:40:48 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
The article could just have well have been written during the Vietnam war. America's "erosion" of support for the war against communists in Vietnam was also caused by misreporting by the media.

What is really amazing is that so many Americans still pay any attention to the major media. Time and again it has been proved to have lost its credibility.
8 posted on 08/24/2005 5:00:33 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: Wonder Warthog
The article could just have well have been written during the Vietnam war. America's "erosion" of support for the war against communists in Vietnam was also caused by misreporting by the media.

What is really amazing is that so many Americans still pay any attention to the major media. Time and again it has been proved to have lost its credibility.
9 posted on 08/24/2005 5:03:29 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: R. Scott
"Just following in the footsteps of their Great Icon, Walter Cronkite – remember him? He was North Vietnam’s leading propagandist."

Yup. I remember old Walter well. Even back then, I couldn't stand him--something about him just "didn't ring true", despite the almost universal fawning admiration he garnered. The "gut feeling" was similar to what I experienced when I first saw/heard Bill Clinton.

10 posted on 08/24/2005 5:33:38 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Wonder Warthog
The "gut feeling" was similar to what I experienced when I first saw/heard Bill Clinton.

Only with Clinton, I could laugh once in a while. There was absolutely nothing funny about Comrade Cronkite.
11 posted on 08/24/2005 5:41:23 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Thanks for posting this excellent perspective.
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12 posted on 08/24/2005 5:50:34 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: PeteB570
http://www.dior.whs.mil/mmid/casualty/Death_Rates.pdf

Total is 23,028. Less illness, it's 18,878. [on my MS chart, numbers from this site are constantly updated - there were small changes from last time I updated it as far back as 1997]

This page does not break down on and off duty training accidents.

I've looked for a better breakdown in the past, but was not very successful. In the Navy, you might find 'aviation' stats, then have to look for shipboard [which might include some aviation from LPD/H and the CV's], etc.

Also, there were 7,500 deaths while Clinton was prez [1,522 suicides].

And it does include [as does the 1800 deaths in Iraq - I believe over 300 are non combat - accidents] accidents on and off duty, but in line of duty, suicide, etc.

This page gives more beak downs.

http://www.dior.whs.mil/mmid/casualty/castop.htm
13 posted on 08/24/2005 5:51:38 AM PDT by cajun scpo ([facts matter])
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To: Wonder Warthog

Excellent post.


14 posted on 08/24/2005 10:09:56 AM PDT by Lacey
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To: MoJo2001

Canteen Ping..Think you might like this :)


15 posted on 08/24/2005 11:15:20 AM PDT by hipaatwo (THE DNC - where victory is losing by smaller margins-hat tip to Constitution Day)
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To: PeteB570
If they would sift out just the training deaths that number would still shock people. Typically those deaths only make the local news. I've known some who got a scant one paragraph mention in section B.

If they gave the death totals for one city, that would shock people too. In Dinkins last year as mayor of NYC, 2200 people were murdered. By the end of Giuliani's first term, that had dropped to just over 600. In just the first four years, tossing Dinkins out of office saved almost three times as many people as we have lost in Iraq combat, accidents and medical.

16 posted on 08/24/2005 3:06:38 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: cajun scpo

By the way:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1469398/posts

"These data are all impressive but perhaps most impressive are the inflows. The extra dollars are far too few to match the challenge of Washington's long-term obligations - programmes such as Social Security and Medicare. But they just about offset the $6bn a month the US spends in Iraq. We are on our way to having guns and butter, after all."

For those who are fussing, quit complaining about the tax cuts and the cost of the war...they balance out.


17 posted on 08/24/2005 3:38:46 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Molly Pitcher; Alex Murphy

By the way:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1469398/posts

"These data are all impressive but perhaps most impressive are the inflows. The extra dollars are far too few to match the challenge of Washington's long-term obligations - programmes such as Social Security and Medicare. But they just about offset the $6bn a month the US spends in Iraq. We are on our way to having guns and butter, after all."

For those who are fussing, quit complaining about the tax cuts and the cost of the war...they balance out.


18 posted on 08/24/2005 3:39:08 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Tolik

Fairly well nailed it.


19 posted on 08/25/2005 8:21:53 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (I lost my copy of the PNAC Neo-Con agenda. Can someone fax me one?)
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