BLACK HAWK DOWN: Did mother of dead soldier protest Clinton?

[NYleatherneck]

At the Medal of Honor ceremony, Shugart's father said to President Clinton that he was not fit to be commander in chief.

[1Old Pro]

At the Medal of Honor ceremony, Shugart's father said to President Clinton that he was not fit to be commander in chief.

Never heard that. Was it even covered by the media or did they hide it?

[Airborne1986]

"If the armor had been there, most of those troops would have been saved."

I agree. There was also a request for AC 130 gunships that Collin Powell did not support. Powell got a free ride on that.

[rabidralph]

More info from our own FReeper Foxhole

[NYleatherneck]

I think I first read about it in either Bowden's or Mike Durant's book. It received little coverage, but there are several items on the internet about the exchange between Mr. Shugart and Clinton.

[Jimmy Valentine's brother]

As I recall the slickster had a woman detained by the Secret Service when she said to his face that he was responsible for Cleveland's and the 18 other Rangers deaths in the Mog. Wasn't a protest just a statement as he did a surprise drop in greet a county fair I believe.

[agooga]

I heard it, but it was definitely not splashed on any headlines-- you had to look for it.

[conservativeharleyguy]

"If the left gets arms in this country, we're no better off than Venezuela and Cuba".

By the time they figure out which end of the rifle is the business end, we'll have already long since picked 'em off.

I have yet to meet a liberal who could shoot worth a damn.

I'll say it again: While they were pissing away their youthful hours sucking up stale frat-party keg beer and pursuing Contemporary Anti-American Studies down at the local Ivory Tower, the vast majority of us (conservatives) were carrying a gun for a living.

I'll challenge Bill Maher or Michael Moore to a duel anytime, with anything, (other than smarmy, pointless commentary, I'm thinking hatchets at arms length would be nice for Moore, and compound bows at 10 paces would work well with Mr. Maher).

[Non-Sequitur]

Never heard that. Was it even covered by the media or did they hide it?

Nothing was hidden, Clinton even mentioned it in his book. He said that Shugart was furious and said he wasn't fit to be commander in chief.

[Non-Sequitur]

If the armor had been there, most of those troops would have been saved.

Mogadishu is a third-world cesspool of a city, all narrow alleys and crowded buildings. Tanks would have been of very little use in that environment, and the Senate report said that was Powell's primary reason for turning down requests for armor. The CENTCOM commander turned down the request for the AC-130's for the same reason, poorly suited for urban areas.

[NYleatherneck]

Now that you said it, that is where I heard it. I just didn't want to admit reading his book.

[MarkeyD]

She was arrested and put in jail, if I recall. It happened in Chicago. I believe she said "You suck".

[MarkeyD]

Article here

[A.A. Cunningham]

Herb Shugart

[ctlpdad]

Now that you said it, that is where I heard it. I just didn't want to admit reading his book.

There is nothing wrong with studying the enemy.

[krb]

True, but you are missing the point of the post...

[krunkygirl]

save for "must read" later BUMP

[TNCMAXQ]

How many guys died in Haiti btw? Talk about an absolute waste of American lives and resources. I think very few died, fortunately. It was unbelieveable to me how the left kept their pie holes shut during that ridiculous episode.

[A.A. Cunningham]

Hussein Mohammed Aidid

[RDTF]

thanks!

http://www.netnomad.com/aydiidson.html

Son of Somali Leader Succeeds His Slain Father
Somalia, Aug. 4

A former United States marine who served in Somalia and who is a son of Mohammed Farah Aidid, the powerful Somali faction leader who died last week, was selected today to succeed his father.

"I will continue the policies of the former president," Hussein Mohammed Aidid, 31, said after he was sworn in by a Muslim clergyman. About 200 people gathered in the faction's stronghold in southern Mogadishu in support of the new leader, who said he would eliminate enemies at home and abroad. Mr. Aidid will serve a two-year term as president of the United Somali Congress-Somali National Alliance, whose members are primarily from a sub-clan of the Hawiye clan, one of six in Somalia.

The elder Mr. Aidid, 61, died on Thursday after being wounded in fighting in Mogadishu. Rival militia leaders have since proposed that Somalia's warring factions hold a reconciliation conference. But Mr. Aidid's supporters rejected the offer.

The younger Mr. Aidid once lived in the Los Angeles area and served two weeks of active duty with the Marines in Somalia. He was returned home before United States forces began trying to chase down his father in 1993. During that hunt, 18 American soldiers and 300 Somalis were killed.