Posted on 08/23/2005 10:47:25 AM PDT by JamesP81
A Cleveland man died last Sunday after a scuffle with security guards at the Walmart Super Center located at 6626 FM1960 in Atascocita.
According to witnesses, Stacy Driver ran out of the store and was pursued by Walmart loss prevention employees. A short time later, Driver was dead, and the Walmart employees were trying to explain the last moments of his life to police.
Charles Portz said he was getting out of his car when he saw a heavy blonde haired man being chased by five people who appeared to be security or store employees. He said he saw them wrestling the man to the ground. "The blacktop was extremely hot," said Portz "He had no shirt on and they wouldn't let him up off the blacktop."
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According to Portz, Driver began to plead with them men. "He's begging, 'Please call an ambulance, let me up, do something, I'm gonna die," said Portz. He said the loss prevention employees called the police more than once, but another bystander called for an ambulance after realizing Driver was in trouble. Portz said he eventually began to plead with the Walmart employees. "I told them, this guy doesn't look like he's breathing," Portz said, "They said, 'He's all right."
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The store employees could not have known that the witness who was pleading with them to let Driver get up from the hot pavement was a high profile Houston attorney, from the Portz and Portz law firm.
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Hey, I'm in Texas, come on by and let me and some buds hold you down on the asphalt for 20 minutes and I have $100 that says you'll be agreeing that it's torture in under 10.
Rescue a thief??? Do you like thieves???
I'm so sick of sadistic freaks with Charles Bronson fantasies who think they have points to make. It's gotten to the point where freaks will defend holding a guy down on hot asphalt even though he's visibly cyanotic and in physical distress. I can't begin to express my disgust, not only at the sickos responsible but for their freak apologists.
Your mindset involves the right to kill someone after you have subdued them?
You're damn skippy I would have rescued him. Things would have gotten real violent, real quick when they continued to hold a man down who was visibly being killed.
"Sorry, but you can't kill someone for stealing diapers and a bb gun..."
I've read the first hundred comments, but have not seen this possibility yet, so if it is my apologies in advance... Did they say that this "BB Gun" was in a package and was something thought to have been stolen, OR was this HIS BB Gun and was used to represent a real gun to intimidate anyone in his way while he stole other items???
Just a thought?
Don't let him BS you. I don't know anyone in Texas, personally who holds sick views like this guy. Believe it or not, most of us in Texas are decent, compassionate people who don't take twisted delight in the suffering or death of others.
The law, as cited to you states: a) A person commits criminal homicide if he intentionally, knowingly, recklessly, or with criminal negligence causes the death of an individual.
Your "bad judgement" excuse is covered by the word "recklessly," which obviously applies. However, because it was apparently hard to miss the fact that the guy was dying, I'd say that their actions probably meet the standard of criminal negligence (defined as, e.g., recklessly acting without reasonable caution and putting another person at risk of injury or death (or failing to do something with the same consequences)).
"Ties go to the security guards..."
BWAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!! Great line!!
One doesn't have to like thieves to realize that a man pleading for his life should be given some help. It was clear to witnesses that the guy was in some sort of physical danger.
Whatever. You don't get it and we can't get through to you. Here's a little friendly advice- if you ever find yourself in a situation where, after subduing a thief, you end up killing him, even if you are found not guilty of some sort of homicide and if you win the civil suit, the cost of defending yourself will probably ruin you.
They did not kill him, he died after being subdued, big difference. We do not cater much to thieves down here, if they want to steal I have no sorrow if their outcome is terminal.
Absolutely. Not only was 1) the guy visibly cyanotic, 2) Begging to be let up, 3)lying on asphalt heated by the Texas sun, but there were bystanders pointing out that the guy was dying in real time. The creeps who did this had more than enough information to know what they were doing.
Maybe eastfork is a Wally-world security goon....
wonder if these folks died on the asphalt.
GLENDALE, AZ -- The Arizona Republic, a news partner of our sister station KPNX, is reporting a triple shooting at a Wal-Mart in a suburb of Phoenix.
Two people were shot to death and a third is hospitalized with gunshot wounds.
Glendale police say the shooting happened in the parking lot of a West Valley Wal-Mart store.
No word yet on what led to the shooting.
That has nothing to do with the statute of protecting personal property, that is way out of context.
Even with everything that the dead guy did wrong, even with his criminal record, I think a jury of Texans will give his grieving family several million dollars.
The man was on the ground pleading for his life. This is not an example of someone defending their property (which I have no problems with), this is an example of poorly trained and/or sadistic security guards killing a man over less than $100 worth of merchandise-AFTER they had subdued him. I personally have no doubt that the average Texan will not look at that favorably. Nothing honorable about killing a defenseless man.
Wal Mart needs taser weapons or mace.
Oh man you realy want to heat it up don't you. hehe
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