[Puddleglum]

Oh and don't give me the DNA BS, it is already established that with out without DNA evidence, even with DNA PROVING the man is not the father the man STILL PAYS.

Did I say a man should pay if he's not the biological father? That's someone else's argument. I said a man should pay if he is the biological father.

[jpsb]

It is pretty much a rule that no matter what the man pays, now every now and then surprise surprise the man does not have to pay.

Government should get the hell out of the marriage business, the child raising businees and the family business and leave men and women to work out things (like getting married, having children, and supporting the family) out by themselves. But that's not going to happen, to many girly men and self rightious women out to save the world for that to ever happen.