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Immigrant bashing won’t fix problems
The Virginian-Pilot ^ | August 23, 2005 | Editorial

Posted on 08/22/2005 1:10:58 PM PDT by bayourod

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To: bayourod

If this BS keeps up, in a few years we won't even be able to kick uninvited guests out of our own homes!!!


61 posted on 08/22/2005 1:41:38 PM PDT by Niteranger68 ("Spare the rod, spoil the liberal.")
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To: bayourod

Mexico is failing as a country. Half the population still there (fifty million out of one hundred million), want to come live in the US. WHY? Because of ingrained violence, corruption, rampant drug operations, the list is endless.

Twenty million Mexicans have already come north, illegally. These are the poor folk who want a better life and are willing to work for it. The fifty million who also want to come are the middle class, and if they head north, Vincente Fox is in deep trouble. He can't fix the country's problems by dumping them on the US with this 'integration' scheme he and his ministers promote every other week.

Why? Because when Mexicans break US laws, they'll be punished and Fox will yell bloody murder (already has), and to no avail. The alternative to Fox fixing Mexico and making it an attractive, decent place to live is the US invading and cleaning up the mess. Again. What the heck is wrong with Mexico? Don't they get it?


62 posted on 08/22/2005 1:41:38 PM PDT by hershey
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To: cartman90210; bayourod
One of my favorite lines is the closer: "...all my relations with Hispanics have been good. Can't say that about Nigerians and half a dozen other types."

from: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1449544/posts?page=72#72

Wow, I forgot about that line. Bayourod you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to call other people racists...
63 posted on 08/22/2005 1:41:46 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. -Churchill)
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To: bayourod

MSM confusing legal and illegal immigration.


64 posted on 08/22/2005 1:42:06 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: vrwc0915

Let me know when you get an answer. :)


65 posted on 08/22/2005 1:42:29 PM PDT by exnavychick (We're damned if we do, damned if we don't...so my vote goes for "do.")
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To: vrwc0915
My angle is that obtaining a better bottom line by using illegal labor, is not worth turning the USA into a 3rd world cesspool.

And by dictating floor market wages, seems you are longing for the paradises of the former communist bloc.

66 posted on 08/22/2005 1:43:16 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane

ha ha ha
nice try, way to dodge the question and apply the commie label. Again
Please someone tell me why we need a single illegal immigrant, and how it benefit's the USA. I am not being sarcastic I want the "undocumented worker" fan club to give me one reason why having illegal aliens residing in the USA is a good thing. Furthermore please advise me how rewarding people who broke the law to enter helps the USA's interests


67 posted on 08/22/2005 1:45:09 PM PDT by vrwc0915
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To: misterrob
Other immigrants....

Were they illegal?

68 posted on 08/22/2005 1:45:15 PM PDT by JasonSC
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To: Dane
And it's also there for good native born Americans to get a check every month claiming a slipped disc, while playing in local baseball leagues.

You really do hate native born Americans, don't you. Why? BTW, there are plenty of non native born people getting "the slipped disc" welfare. Don't even try with the "illegals can't get welfare". Robert Vasquez has disclosed the forms used by the government when applying for welfare...do not ask if the applicant is in the country legally.

69 posted on 08/22/2005 1:46:27 PM PDT by WatchingInAmazement (Mi Tierra Es Mi Tierra--my land is my land.)
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To: bayourod
Illegal immigrants are doing the dirty jobs that Virginians don’t want.

Like flying suicide missions into the Pentagon, for example.

70 posted on 08/22/2005 1:46:56 PM PDT by jpl
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To: chris1; Dane

Dane's ignorance is so pronounced that one must wonder if he/she has ever been employed. By not caring that our tax dollars are funding "ILLEGALS", it makes one wonder if perhaps he's never paid taxes. What say you, Dane?? Ever held a job? Are you an illegal immigrant? As IF you'd even answer those questions honestly. LOL


71 posted on 08/22/2005 1:47:21 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything)
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To: vrwc0915
Please someone tell me why we need a single illegal immigrant, and how it benefit's the USA.

For various reasons, we simply do not have a big enough (legal) labor pool in the US to meet all of the requirements of our economy.

Could our economy go on without illegals? Sure. But get ready to carve a percent or two off of our economy's rate of growth.

Prices for such things as construction, produce, building cleaning, meat, landscaping etc. would go up if illegals did not perform such jobs.

That's a hard reality. Now, whether such an economic sacrifice is worth securing our Southern border is the question.

72 posted on 08/22/2005 1:47:33 PM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: Dane

No employers who pay these slave wages and exploit the employment laws should be hammered.


73 posted on 08/22/2005 1:47:39 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: WatchingInAmazement
You really do hate native born Americans, don't you.

No I hate people who committ welfare/workers comp fraud, be they native born or non-native born.

74 posted on 08/22/2005 1:49:19 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: bayourod
"Immigrant bashing won’t fix problems"

It might but you have to pay attention to your grip and follow-through. The weight of the club is all-important as well.

75 posted on 08/22/2005 1:51:11 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Modernman

That is a price I am willing to pay! You get what you pay for.


76 posted on 08/22/2005 1:51:30 PM PDT by vrwc0915
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To: Modernman; vrwc0915
Now, whether such an economic sacrifice is worth securing our Southern border is the question.

Closing BOTH borders imo is a national security issue FIRST. However, you're missing the obvious impact of illegal immigration on bankrupting border state hospitals, draining education $$ by overcrowding our schools, and crime rate/crowding our prison system.
77 posted on 08/22/2005 1:52:17 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. -Churchill)
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To: chris1
No employers who pay these slave wages and exploit the employment laws should be hammered.

And the guy from Guatemala earning $24 an hour doing construction is getting "slave wages".

BTW, you sound like a union thug, with your socialist onus that business is inherantly evil.

78 posted on 08/22/2005 1:52:43 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: misterrob
Cut down on the supply of jobs and the enforcement issue becomes that much easier to do. It's nuts to think that simply enforcing the borders will do the trick. As long as their is economic incentive for people to come there then they will. Oh, and tell Vinny Fox to kiss our ass. We will shoot anyone invading our country in a time of war.

I agree that it would be "nuts to think that simply enforcing our borders will do the trick".

If you think that's what I've been saying, you are incorrect. I have been saying that we need to do ALL of these things; crack down BIG TIME on the employers, and private citizens who hire these Illegals, secure our borders, AND start rounding up all of the Illegals that are already here, send them back home and tell them that the next time they visit they HAVE to enter through the front door, not sneak in a window.

79 posted on 08/22/2005 1:52:59 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything)
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To: vrwc0915
That is a price I am willing to pay! You get what you pay for.

Some people are. Many are not.

A guest worker program is a good idea, IMO. Along with increased punishments of employers who hire illegals.

80 posted on 08/22/2005 1:53:33 PM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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