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Iraq draft says laws must conform to Islam -text
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Posted on 08/22/2005 11:13:09 AM PDT by Charlesj

Iraq draft says laws must conform to Islam -text

BAGHDAD, Aug 22 (Reuters) - A draft constitution for Iraq to be presented to parliament on Monday will make Islam "a main source" for legislation and ban laws that contradict religious teachings, members of the parliamentary drafting panel said.

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To: Dog
Everyone just calm down.

I totally agree.

181 posted on 08/22/2005 1:25:36 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: bobdsmith
Yeah, but you're wasting your breath: Liberals never met a revolutionary that they didn't like. Stalin, Che Guevara, Castro, Ho Chi Minh, Khomeini, etc...
182 posted on 08/22/2005 1:32:22 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: MNlurker; defconw

I know what ya'll are saying, but I think there is more "hope" in your statements than I wish there had to be.

I just look at the scene in Iraq where they are meeting and I see MEN on the dais, not women. I also agree that the media and the dems are putting WAY to much pressure on these people to meet an artificial deadline...

I also know that they are a "sovereign state" and we can't be seen trying to influence their decisions but I hope there is someone in the background that is telling the "rational" Iraqis that if they chose Shar'ia Law, then we could not stay and defend a system like that.

I wouldn't want our troops to be defending a country that treats their citizens like they did in Afghanistan under the Taliban...and from what I understand (and I am often wrong), that is where this is headed.

Now, defconw, you seem to be optomistic that is that is voted for NOW, that it can be changed in the future..but, who would change it?

I know one thing...I would really be upset if I were the Kurds, they have seemed to be the most rational since BEFORE we went into Iraq...


183 posted on 08/22/2005 1:35:11 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: roylene
Doesn't freedom mean they can pick the kind of country government they ant?

Do you really think the Iraqi women want to live under Sharia law? Is an Islamic regime worth spilling American blood over?

184 posted on 08/22/2005 1:35:28 PM PDT by podkane
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To: Bush2000
Islam will perpetuate, among other things, violence and tyranny against women.

Under the repressive misogynistic interpretations of those currently holding power in most Muslim countries. There is easily room within the Quran, depending on interpretation, for women to live free in Iraq. A guarantee of rights would prevent the repressive interpretations from being enacted into law. Well, that is, prevent to the extent that it can. Our Constitution wasn't exactly perfectly able to prevent abuses we see today in direct contradiction of the wishes of the Founders and the plain language of their document.

Still, I'll wait for the text on this one, especially as there were women working on the draft.

185 posted on 08/22/2005 1:37:31 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Txsleuth

To be fair a majority of Kurds were free for ten years due to the no fly zone so the rest of Iraq has 10 years of catch up...I would agree with you that this fact alone has to be frustrating for the Kurds.


186 posted on 08/22/2005 1:40:23 PM PDT by MNlurker
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To: antiRepublicrat
Under the repressive misogynistic interpretations of those currently holding power in most Muslim countries. There is easily room within the Quran, depending on interpretation, for women to live free in Iraq. A guarantee of rights would prevent the repressive interpretations from being enacted into law.

Call me skeptical.

Well, that is, prevent to the extent that it can. Our Constitution wasn't exactly perfectly able to prevent abuses we see today in direct contradiction of the wishes of the Founders and the plain language of their document.

Yeah, but we're talking about people that are essentially emerging from the 18th century ...

Still, I'll wait for the text on this one, especially as there were women working on the draft.

The fact that women are working on the draft may not matter. You'd be amazed at how may of these women would prevent their sex having rights and privileges. Some if it's political opportunism on their part; but, mostly, it's just ridiculous...
187 posted on 08/22/2005 1:43:20 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: balch3

I am with you.


188 posted on 08/22/2005 1:48:32 PM PDT by Gator113
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To: MNlurker

Well, I just heard Hannity say that this is historic that it might not be the constitution WE would want, but "they will have a vote, then another vote, and then a DEMOCRACY which is what we are over there fighting for"...

So, Hannity is "expecting" this to be a democracy...hm....
I just keep remembering that when Saddam was in control they had "VOTING", also....and Saddam always won--100%!

Voting does not a democracy make..but, I will do my BEST to listen to you and defconw and not panic and write them off yet.


189 posted on 08/22/2005 1:49:08 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Txsleuth

No time to panic, but there is absolutely no reason we can't look at what's going on with a critical eye. Having others with a critical eye keeps me from getting too confident about my thoughts

Lets hope that 20 years from now we can laugh about being so worried about a country that ended up being a thriving democracy...that's what its going to take time wise anyways.


190 posted on 08/22/2005 1:57:46 PM PDT by MNlurker
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To: Txsleuth
"Now, defconw, you seem to be optimistic that is that is voted for NOW, that it can be changed in the future..but, who would change it?"

I just think this is a beginning step nothing is set in stone yet. They had to meet the deadline, they did that, they bought more time, I think they are committed to a real democracy, but they are almost as clueless as we were, but they have us to help them. I am sure but can not prove that our people are helping to guide the process. In all negotiations people start with the absolutely preposterous just to get to a middle ground. In other words you ask for the impossible in order to get to what you really know will fly. Posturing! It's agonizing, but it's the way it goes.
191 posted on 08/22/2005 1:59:27 PM PDT by defconw (ALLEN IN 08+Levin for Senate!)
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To: Txsleuth
I've always recognized you as one of the saner posters.

What happened? A bit hysterical! You must have been listening to Shep on Fox.

I actually turned the channel to Blitzer and was quite surprised at the fair & balances coverage. Maybe you should actually read the text and see the final approved document before making wild accusations.
192 posted on 08/22/2005 2:02:18 PM PDT by Republican Red (''Van der Sloot" is Dutch for ''Kennedy.")
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To: oceanview; Chieftain

I agree very much with your points!


194 posted on 08/22/2005 2:06:05 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: Bush2000
Call me skeptical.

I admit to a fair amount of skepticism myself. But I have hope.

Yeah, but we're talking about people that are essentially emerging from the 18th century ...

Iraq was about the most Westernized country in that region, and most people there aren't used to religious-based restrictions. Iran was like that before the revolution, but they unfortunately replaced a dictatorship with something just as bad, or worse. I'm afraid of Iraq going from dictator to democracy, then to a repressive theocracy after a revolution.

You'd be amazed at how may of these women would prevent their sex having rights and privileges.

A lot of Muslim women actually believe the stuff about head scarves, etc., and others don't. It all depends on the interpretation. Some Christian women still actually wear their prescribed head scarves to church and believe that they are subordinate to men (both from Corinthians).

195 posted on 08/22/2005 2:07:30 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: churchillbuff
A lot of blood spilled in behalf of

Almost as much as having Dinkins as NYC mayor for a year.

by policy gurus who almost uniformly don't have any kids or kin in the military.

Outright false.

196 posted on 08/22/2005 2:18:43 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: OXENinFLA
I'm confused


Welcome to the crowd :)
197 posted on 08/22/2005 2:26:02 PM PDT by Gucho
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To: Republican Red

The Iraqi Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of Islam.

There is no corresponding demand that the law incorporate Islam.


198 posted on 08/22/2005 2:26:24 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: bnelson44
anyone have a link to the text of the constitution in English?

Anyone have a link to the text of the English Constitution? :)

199 posted on 08/22/2005 2:30:43 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: commonerX
I have said these same things before the invasion of Iraq.

Though apparently not here.

200 posted on 08/22/2005 2:32:00 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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