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Don't Prettify Our History (Krugman Still Complaining About Florida 2000)
New York Times ^ | August 22, 2005 | Paul Krugman

Posted on 08/21/2005 10:05:43 PM PDT by RWR8189

The 2000 election is still an open sore on the body politic. That was clear from the outraged reaction to my mention last week of what would have happened with a full statewide manual recount of Florida.

This reaction seems to confuse three questions. One is what would have happened if the U.S. Supreme Court hadn't intervened; the answer is that unless the judge overseeing the recount had revised his order (which is a possibility), George W. Bush would still have been declared the winner.

The second is what would have happened if there had been a full, statewide manual recount - as there should have been. The probable answer is that Al Gore would have won, by a tiny margin.

The third is what would have happened if the intentions of the voters hadn't been frustrated by butterfly ballots, felon purges and more; the answer is that Mr. Gore would have won by a much larger margin.

About the evidence regarding a manual recount: in April 2001 a media consortium led by The Miami Herald assessed how various recounts of "undervotes," which did not register at all, would have affected the outcome. Two out of three hypothetical statewide counts would have given the election to Mr. Gore. The third involved a standard that would have discarded some ballots on which the intended vote was clear. Since Florida law seemed to require counting such ballots, this standard almost certainly wouldn't have been used in a statewide recount.

The Herald group later did an analysis of "overvotes," in which more than one choice was recorded, but this wasn't a true recount, because some of it was based on computer records rather than the ballots themselves.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2000; algore; barf; bush43; election2000; florida2000; gore; krugman; paulkrugman
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Wasn't Krugman hired as an economic contributor?
1 posted on 08/21/2005 10:05:46 PM PDT by RWR8189
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To: RWR8189
Wasn't Krugman hired as an economic contributor?

What has he ever contributed to economics?

2 posted on 08/21/2005 10:09:25 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: RWR8189

Paul Krugman is a boil on journalism's butt.


3 posted on 08/21/2005 10:09:29 PM PDT by Marauder (You can't stop sheep-killing predators by putting more restrictions on the sheep.)
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To: RWR8189

Where's that crying baby DIM logo?


4 posted on 08/21/2005 10:11:13 PM PDT by Jenya (Terrorism. Bush gets it.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

IIRC he was hired to write about economics.


5 posted on 08/21/2005 10:11:24 PM PDT by RWR8189 ( Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: RWR8189

Ha ha, Paul, Gore lost.

Keep on whining about it though, it's such a great strategy for attracting voters.


6 posted on 08/21/2005 10:12:22 PM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: RWR8189

Can you imagine the uproar if it'd been the other way around, and Dubya had tried to get them to count ballots off the discard pile?


7 posted on 08/21/2005 10:18:01 PM PDT by RichInOC (Don't hate the player. Hate that you suck at the game.)
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To: RWR8189
About the evidence regarding a manual recount: in April 2001 a media consortium led by The Miami Herald assessed how various recounts of "undervotes," which did not register at all, would have affected the outcome. Two out of three hypothetical statewide counts would have given the election to Mr. Gore.

I guess he's referring to the hypothetical recounts held in Bizarro-World. Algore would have lost under most scenarios...IIRC, Algore only won the scenario where everything was counted by creating new law with each ballot.

8 posted on 08/21/2005 10:22:19 PM PDT by JRios1968 (Back from the land of Tapas, Flamenco and Sangria...<sigh>)
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To: RWR8189

The simple fact that this guy (Krugman) is still writing about the 2000 election is proof of just how shallow he is. WHAT A PATHETIC LOSER


9 posted on 08/21/2005 10:31:35 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Whenever a Liberal is Speaking on the Senate Floor, Al-Jazeera Breaks in and Covers it LIVE)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Nothing other than some warmed-over revanchist Marxist kwapola, if truth be told.


10 posted on 08/21/2005 10:32:03 PM PDT by SAJ
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if truth be told.

Well I shouldn't expect it to appear the New York Times.

11 posted on 08/21/2005 10:33:37 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Marauder

>>>Paul Krugman is a boil on journalism's butt.

A pustulant one at best...


12 posted on 08/21/2005 10:34:58 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Liberals...they're so quixotic...)
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To: Keith in Iowa; Marauder; RWR8189

Shouldn't that be a boil on a Clymer?


13 posted on 08/21/2005 10:36:31 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: RWR8189

The NYT can keep it up with guys like this POS, Rich, Dowd, etc. When it's all said and done, their stock will be next to worthless.


14 posted on 08/21/2005 10:38:21 PM PDT by Tom_Busch (I'm a victim of Rovian mind control.)
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To: RWR8189
The probable answer is that Al Gore would have won, by a tiny margin.

It’s ”probable” that Monkeys will be flying out my… any minute now.

A Krugman story is always good for a couple laughs.

15 posted on 08/21/2005 10:43:58 PM PDT by RJL
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To: RWR8189

Jeeze. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, or something like that. These punks think if they repeat their lies about the 2000 election long enough, they'll become true. I really wonder if any RATS really believe this crap.


16 posted on 08/21/2005 10:44:50 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Paleo Conservative
Nor I. Nonetheless, it's really quite astonishing that the Slimes can't locate anyone to write any sort of coherent economic commentary (well, ''coherent'' only insofar as not an oxymoron, given the Slimes' editorial views). Even Robert Reich, a state socialist right down to his entirely-too-close-to-hand toes, writes more coherently than Krugboy.
17 posted on 08/21/2005 10:46:33 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: JRios1968

Krugman and the dems never mention that the media called florida early costing Bush thousands of votes studies have shown in the panhandle conservative area. Media knew the panhandle closed an hour later and robbed Bush by calling the election early.

Can you imagine if the media waited till the conservative areas where closed and called the election before the liberal big cities closed the dems would be in an uproar.

Also Al Gore had his lawyers successfully argue that overseas military ballots shouldn't count because they didn't have the right stamp on them.

About 2,000 military ballots weren't counted because of that coward gore. Bush won the other military ballots 2 to 1 in florida so bush would have gotten about 1350 to 650 which cost bush another 700 votes.


Between the media calling florida early before the panhandle polls closed and gore lawyers preventing military ballots to be counted gore should have been disgraced, but in our media he was made to be the victim.


18 posted on 08/21/2005 10:46:55 PM PDT by johnmecainrino
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To: Keith in Iowa; Paleo Conservative
A pustulant one at best...

A total pain in any case.

And, yeah, the word "Clymer" works for me.

19 posted on 08/21/2005 10:51:52 PM PDT by Marauder (You can't stop sheep-killing predators by putting more restrictions on the sheep.)
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To: RWR8189
Krugman and the rest of the Left never mention the FL kangaroo Supremes, how they tried to rewrite FL state election law, why they got slapped down twice by SCOTUS.
20 posted on 08/21/2005 10:52:01 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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