Posted on 08/21/2005 1:00:59 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR
No demonstrations held despite concerns from city of Moorpark
An activist criticized the way President Bush and other Republicans are handling the divisive border-security issues and called on party members to put away their checkbooks.
"There is a major split," Andy Ramirez, chairman of the Friends of the Border Patrol, said Saturday. "Don't give one more penny to a Republican officer until they go on TV to demand they secure our borders."
Ramirez spoke at a rally in Moorpark hosted by the Simi Valley/Moorpark Republican Assembly.
Moorpark officials had worried earlier in the week that the rally at City Hall might have attracted protesters, but the meeting was peaceful.
Ramirez called on the audience of about 85 people to send a message to Republicans in Washington.
The Bush administration knows what's going on at the borders, Ramirez said, and chooses to turn a blind eye.
"Everybody in Washington, D.C., knows," he said. "We're on their radar and they don't care."
Ramirez said he's offended that Bush ran for his current term in office on a platform that likened him to Ronald Reagan, whom Ramirez said was an altogether different kind of Republican.
"We cannot just take it for granted that a person's a Republican anymore," he said.
Some Republicans deny that the party is fracturing over the border issue.
"I think the Republican Party is united on this issue," said Steve Frank, a district director of the California Republican Assembly.
"The problem is to get the bureaucracy to enforce the law."
Darin Henry, president of the Simi Valley/Moorpark Republican Assembly, said there is concern in the party that there is a lack of attention being paid to the issue, but "wouldn't say it's a fracturing issue. Not at this point, from what I can tell."
The Moorpark rally comes as Democratic governors in New Mexico and Arizona declare states of emergency and move to tighten border security, decisions that some experts say can only boost their political profile as the Republican Party hesitates to act.
The rally was held at the Moorpark City Hall and did not draw the protests that Moorpark officials thought it could.
City officials had asked -- and later withdrew their request -- for a $5,000 deposit after learning that Ramirez would speak because he'd attracted a large crowd of protesters at a similar event in Carlsbad.
At least five sheriff's deputies were present at the event, and Ramirez wore a bullet-proof vest under his shirt.
Georgi Rice of Santa Barbara listens to Andy Ramirez speak on Saturday.
Ramirez says that President Bush needs to do more to stop illegal immigration into the country. Andy Ramirez, chairman of Friends of the Border Patrol, says there is a division growing among Republicans.
It's okay. We understand. Calm down now...:-)
This guy gets it.
Yes, but it's just weird to me to see him bring Reagan into this in the context of illegal immigration. Reagan signed into law that damn amnesty bill in 1986 (although I've read in posts that he later regretted doing so) and Bush would most likely be happy to sign an (it's not an) amnesty bill.
Bush ran for his current term in office on a platform that likened him to Ronald Reagan
I don't remember seeing it that way at all.
I hope all these font changes (italics, bold, etc.) don't confuse the continuity I was trying to preserve. :)
GWB seems to have a lot of trouble with the word, "NO".
He hasn't vetoed anything - not even Campaign Finance Reform - more accurately called the Incumbent Protection Act.
And he can't seem to tell Mexico that the US is no longer going to be the pressure valve for the problems Mexico refuses to even try and fix. This would be bad enough if open borders weren't so dangerous but in these times it is totally unacceptable.
Yes, reagan said that was a mistake. Yet even if he did not believe so, that was a different time. Post 9/11 you can guarantee that a true patriot like Ronald Reagan would have seen the madness of such a policy and had he been president, would have closed the borders....imo.
True Conservative Patriots here at FreeRepublic and elsewhere will hopefully "gitter done" for the good of our Country.
"Don't give one more penny to a Republican officer until they go on TV to demand they secure our borders."I hear ya Andy!
Every time Ken Mehlman or one of his minions at the National Republican Party sends me an email talking about how great the economy is or how low unemployment is, etc. my answer is always the same:
How come you guys never tell me about how tough you're getting with the Criminal Alien invasion of my country?FWIW, as you might expect, I've never received an answering email.I have ceased giving you money. And will not give one more penny until:
After you have done all these things, which I do not consider unreasonable at all, I will once again happily open my wallet to you.
- The borders are managed such that the number of Criminal Aliens crossing the border per day is zero.
- You implement and ENFORCE really tough penalties (including fines and significant jail time) for businesses who hire Criminal Aliens.
- You begin a significant deportation process to take the Criminal Aliens that have already illegally invaded my country and send them back to where ever they came from.
I hope I have made myself clear. And I hope you will share my sentiments widely. My feelings on this are strong. And I am hardly alone.
"I'm sick of these republican koolaid drinkers on this site....."
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Well, you can always go to DU, where they will love you for attacking President Bush. Maybe you didn't notice, but Free Repbublic is NOT a "bash Bush" site.
Goody, help the Democrats win, that will be ever so much better for the country.
(sarcasm)
"Some Republicans deny that the party is fracturing over the border issue."
That's because they haven't got the sense that god gave a jackass.
Yep he gave that "sense" to your heros, the democrats.
Below is a picture of new hero to some on FR, Chinagate figure bill richardson, talking at his home base.
Ventura County and Santa Barbara County Ping!
(Let me know if you want on/off this list)
I think he would've done that too. I'm still a bit amazed that next to nothing has changed on the southern border. Business as usual after 9/11 is when Bush really ticked me off.
I love those clowns who try to play the race card when you tell them you want immigration laws enforced. I always respond with something like, "Oh, so you favor a permanent, non-English-speaking underclass, forever exploited by unscrupulous employers. You favor illegal immigrants dying in the desert in their way here or suffocating in railroad cars. Who's the racist now?"
Dane!! I was wondering where you were.
Have you watched this video?. Maybe you can join your friends and help these0 protests??
CLICK ON THIS VIDEO LINK below:
It will stun you. It's (very) doubtful they all "came here to work"...judging from their signs and chants.
http://kirkbytv.com/Video/Teaser3_15fps.wmv
Listen to and watch the pro-illegal immigrant protesters yell things like:
"DEATH TO THE READNECKS"...
"Zarqawi is a GREAT GRINGO KILLER!", "INTIFADA!", "You stole this land!", etc.
This is a wake-up call, folks...
http://kirkbytv.com/Video/Teaser3_15fps.wmv
Yeah, it goes like this:
Statement: "I want our immigration laws enforced."
Response: "Why do you hate Hispanics?"
I know. People are so angry about illegal immigration now that the race card isn't nearly as effective as it used to be.
What are you talking about, Reagan gave amnesty to illegals.
Bush isn't proposing the "business as usual" Reagan approach, and is not proposing amnesty.
BTW, real immigration reform, has to go through Congress and surprise look who is being a road block, the democrats.
Of course you could endorse a real immigration reform from two good conservatives, Kyl/Cornyn.
But you guys are silent about that. You'd rather bash Bush, such as Mr. Ramirez is doing(does anybody notice he isn't criticizing democrats).
My sentiments exactly Terminator! But my question is ...why are not more Americans questioning this Nafta, Cafta and FTAA stuff. My gut feeling is that they are trying to disolve the USA and form an "American Union" similar to what the Euros did. Remember! All that started with an Iron, Coal and Steel Act. Today you have citizens of independent (for now) nation states feeling their sovereignty slipping away.
Is that what we want for the United States of America? I sure as hell don't!
Something to keep in mind if you have the idea such a thing would be great for us. When the GDR was merged into the Federal Republic of Germany, It was an economic disaster for the Germans. They are still in a mess because of mixing a crappy, fourth world economy with that of the first world. What do you think it's going to be like to mix the crap hole economies of the south with the economies of the north? It'll be great for the globalist corporations of course, but what happens to the rest of us?
That old "our guy ain't perfect but the other guy is really bad" crap is REALLY getting old.
Wasn't the tens of millions of disaffected votes for a third party a decade ago enough warning for your kind? There are lots of FED UP people out here who don't vote for Republican Party candidates because they are acting only like Democratic Party-Lite officeholders.A difference which makes no difference is no difference.
We expect something more out of GW than just invading Iraq. We have a nation HERE and problems the federal gov't does have constitutional responsibility to solve. If GW had devoted as much energy to stopping illegal aliens as he has to promoting the sovreignty destroying CAFTA treaty, we would be well on the way to less crime and more security.
Have you watched this video?. Maybe you can join your friends and help these0 protests??
Yawn. They aren't my friends.
Btw how come MR. Ramirez isn't critizing these people and is silent on Kyl/Cornyn?
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