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S.C. town's prayers provoke lawsuits
Atlanta Journal Constitution ^ | August 21, 2005 | BILL RANKIN

Posted on 08/21/2005 1:45:34 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

GREAT FALLS, S.C. — Jesus no longer has a place in prayers that open Town Council meetings here.

The long-standing practice in this old mill town, about 35 miles north of Columbia, was struck down last year in response to a lawsuit filed by a follower of Wicca, a pagan religion characterized by witchcraft and attention to earthly seasons. A federal judge — and then a federal appeals court — found the Town Council's prayers invoking Christ's name unconstitutional on grounds that they advanced one religion over others.

"I don't like it one bit," Councilman J.C. Broom, a retired furniture salesman who usually gives the invocations, said last week of the court rulings. "I feel like I have a right to pray the way I want to. When I have to pray the way someone tells me how I have to do it, I don't feel as close to the Lord. It becomes a chore. The other way, it was a privilege."

Across Georgia, county commissions and city councils, as well as the state Legislature, routinely begin their public business with prayers invoking Christ's name. Two weeks ago, the Georgia ACLU filed a federal lawsuit similar to the one against Great Falls that seeks to halt Christian prayers before Cobb County Commission meetings. The suit's outcome may set a legal precedent that Georgia governments must follow.

The case again has roiled discussion over the dividing line between church and state. Few issues have sparked as much debate and generated as many diverse opinions. After all, just before the first Congress drafted the First Amendment's religion clauses, it approved the appointment of two legislative chaplains and gave them ample salaries.

"Government-mandated prayers were traditionally the most egregious features of religious establishments and have thus always been viewed suspiciously as first steps on the slippery slope toward new religious establishments," said John Witte Jr., director of Emory University's Center for the Study of Law and Religion.

The U.S. Supreme Court has allowed all manner of religious texts, symbols and ceremonies to stand in public squares so long as parties are not coerced to support or participate in them, he noted.

"But overtly sectarian legislative prayers — particularly if they are consistently of a certain denominational accent or offered by the same person or small group of persons — cannot pass constitutional muster," Witte said. "Legislatures that maintain an open microphone and allow all manner of religious and nonreligious speakers to offer opening words before their legislative sessions are less constitutionally vulnerable."

No one religion

Cobb officials insist their invocations — which often conclude with some variation of "in Christ's name we pray" — are constitutional. Commission Chairman Sam Olens, who is Jewish, typically begins a meeting by telling the attendees that if they wish, they may rise for the prayer and Pledge of Allegiance.

Olens said Cobb's prayers were constitutionally permissible because religious leaders of all faiths were welcome. "It's totally random, and no elected official has any part in the process of who's chosen to give the invocation," he said. "We have four rabbis in the county, and all four have given an invocation in the past year. We have one mosque, and it has been represented at least twice in the past year. All the various forms of Christianity regularly come before us."

Olens said he agrees with about "90 percent" of the Christian prayers because they typically ask for guidance in helping commissioners make the right decisions and give thoughts and prayers for U.S. soldiers abroad.

Cobb's case is just one of a number of such challenges percolating in the federal court system nationwide.

This summer, four plaintiffs represented by the Indiana Civil Liberties Union filed suit against the speaker of the state House of Representatives for allowing legislative sessions to begin with prayers that endorse Christianity.

The Indiana House's policy is similar to the one used in Georgia: The House and Senate each invite a "chaplain of the day" to give an invocation to start a business day.

"Over my dead body," Senate Majority Leader Tommie Williams (R-Lyons) said when asked recently if he would consider changing the invocation.

House Speaker Glenn Richardson (R-Hiram) expressed outrage at the ACLU's lawsuit against Cobb County.

"We will not be intimidated or robbed of our consti- tutionally protected right of religious expression by what amounts to a group of out-of-touch, liberal bullies who hijack our nation's judicial system to force their extreme social ideas on the citizens of our state and our country," said Richardson, a former county attorney.

Georgia ACLU staff attorney Gerry Weber said his organization's focus was, for now, solely on Cobb Commission meetings. As for Richardson's remarks, Weber said, "I just hope he remembers his oath to obey the Constitution."

The Christian prayers given before Town Council meetings in Great Falls were challenged in 2001 by Darla Kaye Wynne, a self-described Wiccan high priestess. Wynne, 41, a former topless dancer from Alaska who moved to this tiny South Carolina town seven years ago, said she had been ostracized and her home vandalized because of the stand she took against the Town Council.

Feeling ostracized

A regular at council meetings, Wynne initially stood and bowed her head along with her neighbors. But as references to Jesus continued, Wynne stopped bowing her head. Finally, at a meeting in late 2000, she objected and said the prayers promoted a Christian religion in which she did not believe.

Wynne proposed that the council allow nonsectarian prayers or allow members of all religions a chance to give invocations. This prompted the town to post a message on its Web site urging residents to call their council members and express their opinions about it.

Several Christian ministers drafted resolutions. One expressed support for continued Christian prayers at the meetings and "opposition to allowing alternative prayer to a professed 'witch.' "

At the next council session, with about 100 people — as opposed to the usual half-dozen or so — in attendance, "hallelujahs" and "amens" followed delivery of the Christian prayer to open the meeting, according to court records. The council then rejected Wynne's proposal and decided to carry on as usual. Wynne filed suit that summer.

After U.S. District Judge Cameron Currie in Columbia found the prayers illegal, the town appealed to the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond. A three-judge panel ruled unanimously that the Town Council had "exploited" an opportunity to advance one religion.

The Great Falls Town Council may engage in nonsectarian prayers as a source of strength to believers and a time of quiet reflection for all, Judge Diana Gribbon Motz wrote. "This opportunity does not, however, provide the town council, or any legislative body, license to advance its own religious beliefs in preference to all others, as the town council did here. The First Amendment bars such official preference for one religion, and corresponding official discrimination against all others."

The town appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court. In June, the high court declined to hear the case.

In the past, council members typically ended prayers with "in Christ's name we pray." Now they give nonsectarian prayers, and the public agenda includes a disclaimer that says the invocations are "not intended to advance or promote any one religion."

Huge legal bill

At the council meeting last Monday, members forgot to say the prayer. Maybe their minds were on the $65,490 in legal fees Great Falls owes Wynne's lawyer. This is a back-breaking sum for the one-stoplight town of about 2,300, which has seen its population plummet since the last of its three mills closed in 1984. The fees amount to more than a quarter of the town's annual administrative budget.

Also Monday, Wynne addressed the council and reminded its members that her lawyer would have waived all legal fees if the council had agreed to stop giving Christian prayers and not pursue its appeal to the 4th Circuit. Wynne, who said public enmity toward her is growing, asked the council to encourage town residents to stop putting the blame on her.

"This isn't right," Wynne said. "This could put me in further physical jeopardy."

But none of the town council members looked up or responded as Wynne put copies of her written statement on the desk before them.

After the council meeting had adjourned, Mayor H.C. Starnes wondered aloud whether he might have to go to jail if the town could not pay the legal bills. But when told of the lawsuit against Cobb County, Starnes turned hopeful and suggested President Bush's Supreme Court nominee, John Roberts, might eventually make a difference in whether the high court heard a case involving prayers at government meetings.

For this reason, Starnes said, he had this advice: "Go for it, Cobb County. Go for it."

— Staff writer Sonji Jacobs contributed to this article.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida; US: South Carolina
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Pagans Plan Pride Day To Ease Misgivings ***…..From an early age, Crom said, he found Christianity lacking in areas, particularly tolerance, reverence for nature and emphasis on the free will of the individual.

``I was searching for a religion that made me feel comfortable,'' he said.

Crom was a member of the Pinellas organization. When he moved north a few years ago, he and others founded Pasco Pagans. The group, which says it has at least 50 members, has a Web site (www.pascopagans .com .com) devoted to educating the public and expressing views.

``There's a lot of pagans in Pasco County,'' Crom said.

Modern-day paganism is a collection of beliefs rather than a single religion. It's polytheistic - there are many gods - and it includes ancient religions whose underlying theme is of faith based on nature and respect for one another.

Followers embrace such movements as Wicca, New Age Mysticism, American Indian practices, tarot readings and even Buddhism, a mainstream religion in Asian societies. ….***

1 posted on 08/21/2005 1:45:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
AMENDMENT I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

How does the above pertain to a town council saying a prayer before a meeting?

2 posted on 08/21/2005 1:55:05 AM PDT by calex59
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***.....Cobb officials insist their invocations — which often conclude with some variation of "in Christ's name we pray" — are constitutional. Commission Chairman Sam Olens, who is Jewish, typically begins a meeting by telling the attendees that if they wish, they may rise for the prayer and Pledge of Allegiance.

Olens said Cobb's prayers were constitutionally permissible because religious leaders of all faiths were welcome. "It's totally random, and no elected official has any part in the process of who's chosen to give the invocation," he said. "We have four rabbis in the county, and all four have given an invocation in the past year. We have one mosque, and it has been represented at least twice in the past year. All the various forms of Christianity regularly come before us."

Olens said he agrees with about "90 percent" of the Christian prayers because they typically ask for guidance in helping commissioners make the right decisions and give thoughts and prayers for U.S. soldiers abroad. Cobb's case is just one of a number of such challenges percolating in the federal court system nationwide. ...***

3 posted on 08/21/2005 2:00:02 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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***.... At the council meeting last Monday, members forgot to say the prayer. Maybe their minds were on the $65,490 in legal fees Great Falls owes Wynne's lawyer. This is a back-breaking sum for the one-stoplight town of about 2,300, which has seen its population plummet since the last of its three mills closed in 1984. The fees amount to more than a quarter of the town's annual administrative budget. ...***

Bump!

4 posted on 08/21/2005 2:06:11 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: calex59
"How does the above pertain to a town council saying a prayer before a meeting?

Because the robed ones have so decreed.
5 posted on 08/21/2005 2:07:37 AM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: calex59
This was a bad ruling. The appeals court did not have the authority in my opinion. In 1983 the Supreme Court ruled in the Marsh v. Chambers case that:
The Nebraska Legislature's chaplaincy practice does not violate the Establishment Clause. Pp. 786-795.

(a) The practice of opening sessions of Congress with prayer has continued without interruption for almost 200 years ever since the First Congress drafted the First Amendment, and a similar practice has been followed for more than a century in Nebraska and many other states. While historical patterns, standing alone, cannot justify contemporary violations of constitutional guarantees, historical evidence in the context of this case sheds light not only on what the drafters of the First Amendment intended the Establishment Clause to mean but also on how they thought that Clause applied to the chaplaincy practice authorized by the First Congress. In applying the First Amendment to the states through the Fourteenth Amendment, it would be incongruous to interpret the Clause as imposing more stringent First Amendment limits on the states than the draftsmen imposed on the Federal Government. In light of the history, there can be no doubt that the practice of opening legislative sessions with prayer has become part of the fabric of our society. To invoke divine guidance on a public body entrusted with making the laws is not, in these circumstances, a violation of the Establishment Clause; it is simply a tolerable acknowledgment of beliefs widely held among the people of this country. Pp. 786-792.

(b) Weighed against the historical background, the facts that a clergyman of only one denomination has been selected by the Nebraska Legislature [463 U.S. 783, 784] for 16 years, that the chaplain is paid at public expense, and that the prayers are in the Judeo-Christian tradition do not serve to invalidate Nebraska's practice. Pp. 792-795.


6 posted on 08/21/2005 2:21:24 AM PDT by burzum
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To: calex59
AMENDMENT I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

How does the above pertain to a town council saying a prayer before a meeting?

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

A town government is an extension of the state government. The 14th amendment implies that the 1st amendment applies to state governments, and therefore town governments.

7 posted on 08/21/2005 2:27:31 AM PDT by mc6809e
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***....Also Monday, Wynne addressed the council and reminded its members that her lawyer would have waived all legal fees if the council had agreed to stop giving Christian prayers and not pursue its appeal to the 4th Circuit. Wynne, who said public enmity toward her is growing, asked the council to encourage town residents to stop putting the blame on her.

"This isn't right," Wynne said. "This could put me in further physical jeopardy."

But none of the town council members looked up or responded as Wynne put copies of her written statement on the desk before them.....***

Do as I say!!!

.....The Christian prayers given before Town Council meetings in Great Falls were challenged in 2001 by Darla Kaye Wynne, a self-described Wiccan high priestess. Wynne, 41, a former topless dancer from Alaska who moved to this tiny South Carolina town seven years ago....

This woman is too much!

8 posted on 08/21/2005 2:30:38 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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"Darla Kaye Wynne knows all too well the oppression of having her constitutional rights violated and the hard bigotry of suffering religious discrimination. In a little country town not far from Columbia, Wynne has come to know the faces of brutality and inhumanity as well.

"Wynne’s experiences in that town, Great Falls, sound like a sick tale straight out of the Salem “witch” trials of the late 1600s. But alas, it all began in the 1990s.

"From cowardice to courage, the story holds lessons in both the darker and the more inspiring sides of the human condition. Beyond Wynne’s individual circumstances, however, it speaks to a larger issue relevant to all South Carolinians regardless of their religious and political sensibilities.

"Wynne’s story puts a human face on everything that is right — and more importantly everything that is wrong — with the one nongovernmental organization in the state that holds itself out as a courtroom defender of constitutional freedoms...."

Darla Kaye Wynne:From Cowardice to Courage

9 posted on 08/21/2005 2:46:31 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

ACLU picking low profile communities to obey them (aclu), or go bankrupt fighting them


10 posted on 08/21/2005 2:48:10 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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Thanks for the LINK!

***.....“And I gotta come down to some redneck town, and some jackass, .....***


11 posted on 08/21/2005 2:51:39 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: sure_fine

Damn straight!


12 posted on 08/21/2005 2:51:59 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: mc6809e
A town government is an extension of the state government. The 14th amendment implies that the 1st amendment applies to state governments, and therefore town governments.

To the extent that the 1st Amendment guarantees rights. Further, for it to apply to the state or local governments, it would at the least have to apply to the federal government.

13 posted on 08/21/2005 2:54:57 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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So hat we have is a nice little town where this topless dancer arrives from Alaska thinking she is a witch and then she goes about proving what a witch she is.

Its tar and feathers time.


14 posted on 08/21/2005 3:11:43 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Blessed be the nutcases, for they (apparently) shall inherit the earth.


15 posted on 08/21/2005 3:39:34 AM PDT by The Duke (You want fries with that?)
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With ACLU backing all the way.

See LINK at Post #9.


16 posted on 08/21/2005 4:06:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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I'm afraid of pagans. Let's silence them. Is that how religious freedom is supposed to go?


17 posted on 08/21/2005 4:07:02 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: The Duke

I think your average God fearing, USA loving American is getting a stomach full of these anti-American activists.


18 posted on 08/21/2005 4:07:35 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: AmericanChef

She could have offered up her prayer. Many religions did.

Read the article.


19 posted on 08/21/2005 4:08:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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"Huge legal bill"

Given the ACLU's numerous filings of lawsuits, tying up court dockets, I think it should cost them $500,000 for each from now on. IF they win, they could get it back, otherwise they could count it the cost of doing business.

20 posted on 08/21/2005 4:33:06 AM PDT by azhenfud (This tag line is currently experiencing technical difficulties. Please stand by.)
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