Transitional specie fosils have been faked many, many, times. The faking is stil going on too, witness the latest fakes from China concerning dino to bird artifacts.
Yes, creationism and ID have many holes also but I think evolution should be taught fully, by fully I mean all the fakes, all the evidence that doesn't exist, all the theories that are presented as fact should be taught the way they really exist.
If this is the best we have then say so but be honest about it, tell them the truth about Lucy for instance, she is a chimpanzee, we know that now for sure but die hard evos keep saying she is a link.
Teach the truth, how hard can that be? Don't want to teach ID, fine, but teach the truth about evolution. Science has always had gaps and false trails, and scientists have always covered them, the false trails,lying and trying to hold on to something that was wrong. Evolution has reached that point where the evidence in the fossil record shows it has many, many gaps in the theory and it needs to be taught that way.Darwin was wrong in many of his suppositions. Teach the truth, it can't hurt.
Don't you agree?
What makes you think they're fakes?
The responses are classic too. We have this suggestion for what to teach students:
tell them the truth about Lucy for instance, she is a chimpanzee
Problem is that isn't the truth. I don't think there is any excuse to teach students lies. Not when the truth in this case is so easy to find on google if you search. Yes I admit that lies are quite controversial, but I had no idea it is what anti-evolutionists imply when they chant "teach the controversy"
How about filling in a few holes in Intelligent Design? Who was the designer or designers to begin with? That would be a start. If they were so intelligent then why did they design so many species that dead-ended or proved incapable of adapting to changes in the environment? Thousands of species of dinosaurs, most with limitations that prevented them from adapting. How intelligent was that? Why design dozens of different species of homonids only to have all but one die out? Why not get it right from the start? Given what we know, and looking at their track record, perhaps a more accurate title for your theory would be "Oops, Let's Try That Again Design".
Wrong, but just for giggles, name, say, five "holes".
AND most evos, the scientists that is, won't admit it,
Because it's not true.
and stoop to lying and faking evidence because they can't find the real evidence to support there theory.
Please stop lying about scientists, it just makes you look like a moonbat.
Transitional specie fosils have been faked many, many, times.
Just once in 200 years of paleontology ("Piltdown Man", and even in that case it has never been determined who exactly faked it -- there are at least three possible suspects -- or for what purpose.)
So stop lying about there being "many, many" faked transitional fossils.
And before someone mentions Archeoraptor (which is different from Archaeopteryx, please note), that wasn't "faked", that was a Chinese peasant trying to reassemble what he thought was two parts of a complete fossil, but the bogus reconstruction was quickly recognized within days of the publicity about it, and no evolutionary theory was every based upon the short-lived mistake. But to this day, creationists lie about it and try to present it as a case of evolutionists knowingly "lying" in order to "deceive" the public.
The faking is stil going on too, witness the latest fakes from China concerning dino to bird artifacts.
Wow, more false slurs from a creationist. Why am I not surprised?
Yes, creationism and ID have many holes also
That's putting it... mildly.
but I think evolution should be taught fully, by fully I mean all the fakes,
Piltdown usually is covered. What else ya got?
all the evidence that doesn't exist,
Why on earth should anyone "teach evidence that doesn't exist"?
all the theories that are presented as fact
...which is none of them...
should be taught the way they really exist.
They are.
If this is the best we have then say so but be honest about it, tell them the truth about Lucy for instance, she is a chimpanzee,
Please stop lying.
we know that now for sure
*YOU* only "know" that "for sure" in the same way that liberals "know" for "sure" that George Bush attacked Iraq in order to get the oil money -- and for exactly the same reason (you've been lied to by propagandists).
but die hard evos keep saying she is a link.
She and the scores of other hominid fossils are indeed transitional forms.
Teach the truth, how hard can that be?
Good question, but apparently the creationists have a real hard time doing that.
Don't want to teach ID, fine, but teach the truth about evolution.
We do, thanks.
Science has always had gaps and false trails, and scientists have always covered them, the false trails,lying and trying to hold on to something that was wrong.
Ah, yes, the Conspiracy Theory version of science, as spun by the creationists.
Evolution has reached that point where the evidence in the fossil record shows it has many, many gaps in the theory and it needs to be taught that way.
Such as? Let's see if you have any idea what in the heck you're talking about. Liberals want "the truth" about President Bush taught too...
Darwin was wrong in many of his suppositions.
Name one.
Teach the truth, it can't hurt.
We keep trying that, but then the creationists keep trying to lie about it.
Don't you agree?
Yes, I believe we should teach accurate science. Now if you creationists would just stop trying to insert slanderous propaganda into the curriculum, we could get back to teaching science without interference.
What to you mean we,kemo sabe?
You wouldn't be taking the word of 
, would you? Is 
the book you read?
You won't be able to produce the statement "Lucy, she is a chimpanzee" from anyone who is not a scientifically illiterate anti-evolutionist scammer.
Yes. I think there should be a class teaching how the we had to struggle against the flat-earthers, the geocentrists and now the YEC's and ID's.
Creationism is a theological position. Evolutionism is basically a philosophical/ideological position. If one wishes to see the roots of the controversy, just read Darwin's "The Descent of Man." he obviously had a philosophical agenda that went far beyond the evidence at hand.
A fan of Jack Chick comics I see.
The Chinese fossil fraud was committed by a someone who wanted to sell the thing (i.e. for pure monetary gain) and not by a professional researcher. It was evolutionists who uncovered the fraud. In fact, although I have long had a passing interest in scientific fraud, I'm only aware of ONE SINGLE case -- Piltdown -- of intentional deceit (presumably, the hoaxer not being known for certain) committed by an evolutionist.
In fact the incidence of fraud in evolutionary science is outstandingly low compared to virtually any other field (e.g. biomedical science where fraud -- relatively speaking -- abounds, psychology or even physics). In general the incidence of fraud tracks the amount of money spent on research, thus the high incidence in biomedical science.
tell them the truth about Lucy for instance, she is a chimpanzee
Oh, good lord, where are you getting this "truth"? Not even creationists say this!