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YES, EVOLUTION STILL HAS UNANSWERED QUESTIONS; THAT'S HOW SCIENCE IS
WSJ ^ | June 3, 2005 | Sharon Begley

Posted on 08/21/2005 1:18:04 AM PDT by MRMEAN

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To: Vive ut Vivas

Some denominations may differ on interpretation. It essentially is a trichotomous view of anthropology laid forth in Scripture, with fallen man as dichotomous prior to the regeneration of the spirit by the Holy Spirit.


401 posted on 08/21/2005 9:41:11 PM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: WildTurkey

The term 'image' is probably an accurate interpretation of the Hebrew. One might think of an image of a function upon a paricular dimension as an exact mathematical expression of the term's meaning, although the etymology of the word originated in Hebrew prior to the mathematical meaning.


402 posted on 08/21/2005 9:45:24 PM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: WildTurkey
"Like the portrait of God in the Garden of Eden?"

That was a story. God came in person to tell us who He was. In particular, He said no one knows the Father, the God of the OT except through Him. Who was of course the God of the OT. Jesus is the portrait of God.

403 posted on 08/21/2005 9:48:43 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath

[Evolution is as believable as Bill Clinton on a golf course.]


Bill Clinton has been witnessed and videotaped many times, on many golf courses.

:^)


404 posted on 08/21/2005 9:57:26 PM PDT by spinestein (The facts fairly and honestly presented, truth will take care of itself.)
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath
Evolution is as believable as Bill Clinton on a golf course.


405 posted on 08/21/2005 9:59:55 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: spinestein; WildTurkey

I wouldn't believe the 'toon regardless of where he's at. I think the poster was refering to the 'toon's scoring.


406 posted on 08/21/2005 10:04:26 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets
I think the poster was refering to the 'toon's scoring.

Then he should have referred to creationism.

407 posted on 08/21/2005 10:10:26 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: RightWingAtheist
Take a step outside of the three physical dimensions we can perceive in our universe & take another look.
408 posted on 08/21/2005 10:48:36 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: Abogado
Abogado,

You have the substance and style (for the local evo-crusader gang in general, and dimi baby in specific) pretty well dialed in spelled out and nailed down.

You say it all much more nice & eloquently than Mordo could. Mordo comes back at the evo-crusader gang intelligentsia at the same level they operate from, and it ain't a nice one.

Mordo's not a Christian. church goer, or even a creationist, so claim him not.
409 posted on 08/21/2005 10:53:00 PM PDT by mordo
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To: TalBlack
You throw out an "old analogy" that, as far as I can tell, you made up when you wrote that sentence. It is a straw-man that you knock the hell out of...

No, the design argument for God's existence goes back a ways. Philosophers have been trying to prove/disprove God's existence for a long time. This page gives a superb summary of the ongoing debate. ID is based on an argument used by Thomas Aquinas. My post was a critique of that argument.

If a design includes things like these, I conclude that the designer is incompetent or indifferent. Are these evidence of paternal love and justice? On the contrary, they are compelling evidence that the much-balleyhooed deity of Western monotheism doesn't exist. Calling the problem of evil a "bugaboo" doesn't dissolve it.

410 posted on 08/21/2005 11:29:26 PM PDT by Petronius (Hunter S. Thompson: Shine On You Crazy Diamond!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Ah, now you've got to define "good" and "evil." The dictionary defines each in relation to the other, so dictionary definitions are useless. However, if one were to distill down all the ethical codes successful societies have practiced, "good" can be defined as that which promotes the survival of society, and "evil" as that which harms society's survival chances. Murder would then be evil because it places a strain on society by leading to mistrust between members, reduction in the number of folks that can keep society functioning, and possibly additional murders as in a vendetta. It then becomes in society's best interest to remove the cause of the trouble, either through removing the murderer (incarceration or death) or through something like having the murderer pay weregeld. Either way the problem is solved and equilibrium is reestablished.


411 posted on 08/22/2005 3:18:04 AM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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412 posted on 08/22/2005 4:59:25 AM PDT by AntiGuv ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick)
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To: spunkets

The study of God and His persons as used in language helps amplify many doctrines of Scrpture.

The Son of God, our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus, is human and God, now in a very real glorified, ressurrected body, in heaven, seated at the right hand of the Father.

Your choice of words as a 'portrait' is interesting. My first impression was that it diminished His diety, although I'm not sure of your meaning. The garden of Eden has been allegorized by some in order to avoid controversy between evolution and creation, although other problems arise with this tactic.


413 posted on 08/22/2005 5:02:43 AM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: AntiGuv

I always assumed that if the Truth about the creation of the universe came to light, everyone would go instantly insane, and we'd cease to exist. But that's just me.


414 posted on 08/22/2005 5:05:35 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: AmericanChef
I always assumed that if the Truth about the creation of the universe came to light, everyone would go instantly insane, and we'd cease to exist. But that's just me.

“There is a theory that states that if ever anyone discovers exacly what the universe is for and why it is here,it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.”

“There is another theory that states that this has already happened” -- Douglas Adams
415 posted on 08/22/2005 7:22:43 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: js1138; PetroniusMaximus
Religion supports monarchy and instructs subjects to obey their kings and slaves to obey their masters.

In the matter of human rights I think you have to qualify what kind of religion, what kind of monarchy.

Ceratimly the MiddleEastern idea of absolute gods was intimately connected with their idea of absolute monanchy. And this idea moved into Rome and France.

However the Teutonic/Norse Gods were in mamy ways men writ large, and a large part of the mythology dealt with the miatskes and errors they made. Given that, the reflection of the god in the king could be expected to be similarly imperfect.

So while the King could only rise to that position by a claimed descent from Odin, he still needed the approval of others, whteher they were other nobles claiming simliar descent, or all landholders, or all free men. This leads to idea of restrained kingship,

Behind this is idea why Northern Europe got the idea that anyone could question the power of the King - the idea of individual soveriegnity.

This is starting to remind me of a discussion I has maybe here, but I suspect over on the old Salon board (yes there were a few conservative/libertarians registered there) on the theory (I suspect from Victor Davis Hansen) that the idea of individual autonomy and rights would rise in what might be called PIFE (Peninsular, Island, Fiord, Esturine) communities like the Aegean and Northern Europe. Here the terrain limits overland communication and allows greater independence of idividual farmers from any central government - as distinct from open land regions or irrigation empires.

So human rights are not granted by the gods, but secured by the security by which you hold your property.

416 posted on 08/22/2005 7:26:48 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (No morality can be founded on authority., even if the authority were divine - Sir Alfred Jules Ayer)
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To: Oztrich Boy

In thes threads, the starting poing usually gets lost. I was discussing the European monarchs, and asking why, if the Christian religion was the inspiration for freedom, it took so long for the rulers to notice, and why some of their heads had to be chopped off to get their attention.


417 posted on 08/22/2005 7:44:36 AM PDT by js1138 (Science has it all: the fun of being still, paying attention, writing down numbers...)
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To: Junior

Would killing someone outside of one's society be murder & therefore "evil"?


418 posted on 08/22/2005 7:57:36 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: spunkets
"Man was made in the image and likeness of God. That was acknowledged by Jesus in more than one way. Looks like you don't know what you're talking about."

Looks like you didn't read what I said. God knows everything and can do anything. He made us imperfect knowing that he would be sending a large number of us to Hell. That makes God not very compassionate or very *perfect*. It wasn't our fault that God screwed up.

As for Man being in God's image, does God have a tail bone for a tail he no longer has too? :)
419 posted on 08/22/2005 8:06:45 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: calex59
Transitional specie fosils have been faked many, many, times. The faking is stil going on too, witness the latest fakes from China concerning dino to bird artifacts.

The Chinese fossil fraud was committed by a someone who wanted to sell the thing (i.e. for pure monetary gain) and not by a professional researcher. It was evolutionists who uncovered the fraud. In fact, although I have long had a passing interest in scientific fraud, I'm only aware of ONE SINGLE case -- Piltdown -- of intentional deceit (presumably, the hoaxer not being known for certain) committed by an evolutionist.

In fact the incidence of fraud in evolutionary science is outstandingly low compared to virtually any other field (e.g. biomedical science where fraud -- relatively speaking -- abounds, psychology or even physics). In general the incidence of fraud tracks the amount of money spent on research, thus the high incidence in biomedical science.

tell them the truth about Lucy for instance, she is a chimpanzee

Oh, good lord, where are you getting this "truth"? Not even creationists say this!

420 posted on 08/22/2005 8:09:40 AM PDT by Stultis
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